... Beards remain a stumbling block for presenting many types of good messages.
WTF?
See three of my posts up on this same page. Which missionaries are most likely to get in the door; the shaved, suit and tie wearing ones or the bearded, hemp wearing ones?
Neither, the blonde ones with the big tits (unless they too sport face fuzz)
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... Beards remain a stumbling block for presenting many types of good messages.
WTF?
See three of my posts up on this same page. Which missionaries are most likely to get in the door; the shaved, suit and tie wearing ones or the bearded, hemp wearing ones?
In America, none of them are getting in the door, unless it's the door of the poor and desperate, the mentally incompetent and drug-addicted. If that's the case, then it doesn't matter what they look like.
The church still thinks it's the 50s, probably because it's lead by men whose sell-by date expired around that time.
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... Beards remain a stumbling block for presenting many types of good messages.
WTF?
See three of my posts up on this same page. Which missionaries are most likely to get in the door; the shaved, suit and tie wearing ones or the bearded, hemp wearing ones?
Why is it assumed that bearded men cannot wear suits and be smart? Bcspace is simply the prisoner of the prejudices that have been drummed into him as an LDS. He seems to think all Americans are from Provo. If they were, the LDS church wouldn't need missionaries.
Doesn't this look like someone who would grab any American's attention?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
bcspace wrote: See three of my posts up on this same page. Which missionaries are most likely to get in the door; the shaved, suit and tie wearing ones or the bearded, hemp wearing ones?
In America, none of them are getting in the door
Exactly. If it's about getting in the door, drop the dorky uniform and let the missionaries be real people.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
bcspace wrote: His success derived from more of a rabid following than anything smart he did. But I don't personally attribute those problems to his beard.
I vote this the silliest thing you've ever said. It had VERY many strong contenders, but this is clearly the winner.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
bcspace wrote: His success derived from more of a rabid following than anything smart he did. But I don't personally attribute those problems to his beard.
Steve Jobs gained a rabid following (and rabid haters) because of what he produced. Nobody cared what he looked like. In fact, I recently read his autobiography and one of the things he believed is that a company should simply focus on making the best product it can. Once a company focuses only on marketing and sales, it will begin to die. That was his opinion anyway. I don't think he worried too much about whether his salespeople had beards or not. As long as he had a good product, it would sell. Of course the Mormon church has to focus on sales and marketing and make sure they have the best looking salespeople, because they don't have a good product.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Why is it assumed that bearded men cannot wear suits and be smart?
I don't pretend to know why lots of people assume that (playing along with your ignorance). I just know that it happens.
bcspace really needs to meet more normal people.
bcspace wrote:
Doesn't this [Steve Jobs] look like someone who would grab any American's attention?
His success derived from more of a rabid following than anything smart he did. But I don't personally attribute those problems to his beard.
'Rabid following' = buyers of Apple products worldwide that made it a world leader under his guidance?
I can't help thinking that it is bcspace who has been bitten by something that wasn't at all well at the time ...
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
DarkHelmet wrote:Steve Jobs gained a rabid following (and rabid haters) because of what he produced. Nobody cared what he looked like. In fact, I recently read his autobiography and one of the things he believed is that a company should simply focus on making the best product it can.
The aesthetic design of NeXt/Jobs era Apple products was one of their chief differences from competitors and reasons for success. Apperences mattered and matter a lot in that company. The above picture isn't an example of someone not caring what they look like. It's an an example of a person obsessed with selling image caring very much what he looked like.
sock puppet wrote:Atypical or not, is "Mary Keller" the prototypical student that the BYU Administration and the Brethren hope for and try to cultivate?
I don't think so. The admin and the brethren that I've dealt with have always been sympathetic to things like this.
In what ways do you mean? This is awfully vague. It was President Hinckley, after all, who advised against girls wearing two earrings. And it was Elder Oaks, If I recall correctly, who spoke out against "walking pornography." Which Brethren and BYU admin have you dealt with along these lines, and how did the conversations go? I ask because I have a hard time envisioning any situation where you, Dan Maklelan, would be having conversations on *this* topic with the Brethren.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
