Tobin wrote:They should try-on serving in the community and helping the poor and those in need. I think it will get them a lot closer to God.
You should send them a letter to that effect. I'm sure they would be interested to read about your opinion of what would get them closer to God. By the way, they do serve in their communities to help the poor. It has, in fact, recently been made an official mission of the church alongside temple work. Maybe they anticipated your excellent advice.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Tobin wrote:They should try-on serving in the community and helping the poor and those in need. I think it will get them a lot closer to God.
You should send them a letter to that effect. I'm sure they would be interested to read about your opinion of what would get them closer to God. By the way, they do serve in their communities to help the poor. It has, in fact, recently been made an official mission of the church alongside temple work. Maybe they anticipated your excellent advice.
It must have been revelation. Does the church still believe in that or was that a 19th century notion that they've discarded as well?
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:They should try-on serving in the community and helping the poor and those in need. I think it will get them a lot closer to God.
You should send them a letter to that effect. I'm sure they would be interested to read about your opinion of what would get them closer to God. By the way, they do serve in their communities to help the poor. It has, in fact, recently been made an official mission of the church alongside temple work. Maybe they anticipated your excellent advice.
It would be interesting to do a series of pie charts showing the proportional split of:
$'s Spent on 1. Perfecting the Saints 2. Redeeming the dead 3. Preaching the Gospel 4. Helping the poor & needy
Which of the four missions of the Church, based on your own experiences would you expect to have the biggest slice, and which the smallest?
Other pie charts could be: A. Church leaders talks B. Sacrament talks C. Lessons D. Member time
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
In the spirit of reconciliation perhaps the Church could introduce a temple ordinance of posthumous circumcision...
Excellent idea! A new calling. Necro-Mohel.
It wouldn't be effective. Proxies could do it only once.
Drifting wrote:Who would want to do it twice?
A small misunderstanding, maybe.
I didn't think about the mohel's assignment. I have in mind the proxies who would be circumcised on behalf of the deceased persons. What use of an ordinance which can not do en masse? (as far as I know, one can be baptized more than one time a day.)
I imagine an operating table resting on the backs of twelve oxen...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
sock puppet wrote:Why would it bother you then if you do not believe there's anything to voodoo?
It wouldn't bother me, but that sort of thing usually bothers people because they feel it disrespects the memories of the dead, which is all we have of them. To do something symbolically to the dead that runs in opposition to what they would've wished while living is like an act of corruption to their enduring presence in our minds. Again, I wouldn't be offended, but I get why others are.
Yup, I agree. But I can see we are being way too subtle for some people on this board.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
An article has appeared on The Daily Beast (and may perhaps yet appear in its printed companion, Newsweek), about vicarious Latter-day Saint baptisms for Jewish Holocaust survivors, a controversial topic that has arisen yet again.
I was interviewed for the article.
There are several things in it on which I could comment, but, owing to lack of time and reader patience, I think I’ll restrict myself to just a few:
“But despite more than two decades of negotiations and agreements between the two groups to prevent such baptisms of dead Jews,” reporter Allison Yarrow writes, “the practice persists. . . . Jewish and Mormon leaders first devised a pact to stop all baptisms of dead Jews in 1995, but soon after, Radkey made public that the church had reneged.”
No. No. No. NO. NO!
The Church has never promised to stop baptisms of “dead Jews.” Jewish members of the Church have just as much right to perform vicarious work for their ancestors and family members as do other members of the Church.
So...can you be a Jewish Mormon?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator