Themis wrote:Why does he always run away when people ask him to give an example. I will ask him again to give which piece of evidence he likes best and start there and see if maybe there really is evidence for horses during Book of Mormon times. In fact, anyone else can provide just one to start.
Be careful what you ask for because should he come back and attempt to present evidence in an intelligent manner you'll have to listen to a lot of high pitched whining and that grinds on the ears.
Maybe you can get him to talk about the Facsimile too. He knows that one is a death blow to Joe Smith's credibility to translate Egyptian.
Themis wrote:Why does he always run away when people ask him to give an example. I will ask him again to give which piece of evidence he likes best and start there and see if maybe there really is evidence for horses during Book of Mormon times. In fact, anyone else can provide just one to start.
Be careful what you ask for because should he come back and attempt to present evidence in an intelligent manner you'll have to listen to a lot of high pitched whining and that grinds on the ears.
Maybe you can get him to talk about the Facsimile too. He knows that one is a death blow to Joe Smith's credibility to translate Egyptian.
Paul O
I have noticed he has posted in other threads, so I am sure he will not support what he asserts with any evidence. I notice he tends to avoid evidence for making just assertions and lots of verbal attacks on everyone who he thinks might disagree with him.
Themis wrote:Why does he always run away when people ask him to give an example. I will ask him again to give which piece of evidence he likes best and start there and see if maybe there really is evidence for horses during Book of Mormon times. In fact, anyone else can provide just one to start.
Nah, he'd rather just say how evil and perverted we "antis" are. I learn more from Karl's diary than from ldsfaqs.
Nightlion wrote:I said something to this before about horses in The Book of Mormon times. What was it about the nature of the Book of Mormon lands that caused them to ignore horses for the most part? This is the best question to ask about them.
Ether 9: 31, 33 31 And there came forth poisonous serpents also upon the face of the land, and did poison many people. And it came to pass that their flocks began to flee before the poisonous serpents, towards the land southward, which was called by the Nephites Zarahemla. • • • 33 And it came to pass that the Lord did cause the serpents that they should pursue them no more, but that they should hedge up the way that the people could not pass, that whoso should attempt to pass might fall by the poisonous serpents.
The Book of Mormon took place on two major islands connected by a narrow neck of land. What horses there were in the north land in the days of the Jaredites fled before the poisonous serpents. None of the Jaredite final battles speak of horses or chariots. The land (island) southward was a game preserve. This is where however many horses were. Even though there were several generations when the Jaredites could have brought horses back North there is no evidence that they did as per strictly infantry armies fought to the end.
Nephites say they found horses in the land southward which was sill the game preserve that the Jaredites kept. Only the Lamanites had horses in the Southern most reaches where the Lehi company originally landed in the promised land.
All the Nephite wars were infantry wars and never is cavalry or chariots mentioned as utilized in their many wars. From this internal evidence the likelihood that horses abounded in the southern land is slim. If there was no chivalry connected with horsemanship there would be no real purpose in cultural portrayal of horses. And the horrific destruction in the Book of Mormon would have stampeded all cattle and horses who may well have died off from hysteria if not killed outright in the calamity. After the three hundred years of peace and the culminating wars horses are not mentioned.
For whatever reason horses were not bred in the Book of Mormon for any reason and only slightly mentioned being seen in the Promised Land and later owned by the kings of the Lamanites. We need to look at the Ancient agriculture of South America Andes regions as to why draft horses were not desirous and plowing with them is not mentioned. Are the soils and climate such that the people did not plow to grow crops? What do they do today?
Okay: the words till and plow relating to tool are mentioned among the Jaredites.
Ether 10: 25 25 And they did make all manner of tools to till the earth, both to plow and to sow, to reap and to hoe, and also to thrash.
I doubt a horse is used in terrace agriculture. It was reported that the Inca had more land under cultivation (without horses) than is under cultivation today. How?
Nightlion,
This is a well thought out response, and it is better than any of the FAIR horse apologetics I have read.