Why Intellectuals Cannot Become REAL Christians

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Nightlion wrote:No biggie. At first glance I thought my friend, Blixa, had broken my heart. But then I saw the truth and laughed. Nothing about you, honest.

It appears as if I have missed the "truth"...
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I do not know what an intellectual is. I hear people refer to themselves as such, but I have no sense of what they mean.

Maybe Nightlion means thinkers, in which case, I must respectfully disagree. God gave us our brains to use, and any faith that requires turning off one's brain is no faith at all. True faith involves constant questioning and learning, or it becomes stale and dead.
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God gave us our brains


No she didn't. Unless, by "God," you mean "the Universe, through natural evolution" or something like that. Is that what you mean?
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Equality wrote:No she didn't. Unless, by "God," you mean "the Universe, through natural evolution" or something like that. Is that what you mean?


I just meant that, if we accept that there is a God (even for argument's sake), then the brain has a use, and it would be wrong to stop using it in the service of "faith."
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Gordon wrote:Perhaps you could enlighten me on the, apparent, forum joke...


You misspelled intellectual.
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Runtu wrote:I do not know what an intellectual is. I hear people refer to themselves as such, but I have no sense of what they mean.

Maybe Nightlion means thinkers, in which case, I must respectfully disagree. God gave us our brains to use, and any faith that requires turning off one's brain is no faith at all. True faith involves constant questioning and learning, or it becomes stale and dead.


Runtu what evidence do you have to gauge true faith by? Sounds intellectual withal.

Intellectual derives from the Pawtawattami Indian phrase "em tell actual" meaning a truth teller.
You can dispute me all day if you like. If you wanna. The learned latched onto it kind of like the born againers saying the are saved. In reality the Pawtawattami really meant heap big guesser. The truth teller is a gotten up lie of the devil.
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Nightlion wrote:Runtu what evidence do you have to gauge true faith by? Sounds intellectual withal.

Intellectual derives from the Pawtawattami Indian phrase "em tell actual" meaning a truth teller.
You can dispute me all day if you like. If you wanna. The learned latched onto it kind of like the born againers saying the are saved. In reality the Pawtawattami really meant heap big guesser. The truth teller is a gotten up lie of the devil.


So, you believe faith involves no reason whatsoever? Really?
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Equality wrote:
God gave us our brains


No she didn't. Unless, by "God," you mean "the Universe, through natural evolution" or something like that. Is that what you mean?


Equality is right on this

D&C 93: 29, 36
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

It can be organized and gifted with knowledge and a specific sphere of existence. But that's still not evolution. Equality is wrong there, naturally.
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Runtu wrote:
Nightlion wrote:Runtu what evidence do you have to gauge true faith by? Sounds intellectual withal.

Intellectual derives from the Pawtawattami Indian phrase "em tell actual" meaning a truth teller.
You can dispute me all day if you like. If you wanna. The learned latched onto it kind of like the born againers saying the are saved. In reality the Pawtawattami really meant heap big guesser. The truth teller is a gotten up lie of the devil.


So, you believe faith involves no reason whatsoever? Really?


It depends. Thinking in the fear of man yields nothing but thinking in the fear of the Lord to submit and subject your whole soul to his supremacy is gospel thinking that distills the soul in meekness and childlike faith towards an encounter with the infinite and Almighty God and his promise to upgrade your existence to his speed in the power of godliness.
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Nightlion wrote:
Intellectual derives from the Pawtawattami Indian phrase "em tell actual" meaning a truth teller.
You can dispute me all day if you like. If you wanna. The learned latched onto it kind of like the born againers saying the are saved. In reality the Pawtawattami really meant heap big guesser. The truth teller is a gotten up lie of the devil.



Will your deity hate me if I know some Latin, a language that contributed words to modern European languages long before native Americans like the Pawtawattami had the misfortune to meet people of European descent?

Because I know some Latin, I know that two thousand years ago the Romans used the verb 'intelligere' meaning 'to understand'. Full details are:

present active intelligō, present infinitive intelligere, perfect active intellixī, supine intellictum.

It is a variant of intellegō, and is related to 'legere', 'to read'.
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