Apostates

[_LDSToronto]

Yes, those brave souls who deny a once held belief. Just where do they run to? Do they run to evidence as described by other nonbelievers? Have they left one group just to join another? For all of their acting like they had a great personal struggle I see it another way.

There is a difference between faith and being part of a community.

Many people cast stones of the world at believers. Those people of the world are ready to embrace the fallen. To welcome the new member into the fold. But the church of the denier is not built with stone and cement. The meetings are not held on Sunday.

Oh, please...One finds friendship with like-minded people. This is why religious communities work, too. And you've heard of this place called The Bible Belt, right Frank? That place is all about casting aspersions on those who aren't god-fearing.

But what moral structure do they now have? Why their own. And what charities do they form with their new friends? Why none of course. But then again maybe I am just not aware of the international charity of deniers. Someone help me out here.

Huh? Are you telling me that the only charities that you can think of are formed by Christians? And what moral structure does religion give you that you can't live without?

Faith..you carry on about faith. I have no faith. I freely admit it. Who needs faith? Living with mystery is awesome - I don't need faith to placate me.

Faith is believing in something you know ain't so ~Mark Twain.

H.

[_DarkHelmet]

But what moral structure do they now have? Why their own. And what charities do they form with their new friends? Why none of course. But then again maybe I am just not aware of the international charity of deniers. Someone help me out here.

It doesn't take much time to come up with non-religious charities. How about the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation?

[_just me]

But what moral structure do they now have? Why their own. And what charities do they form with their new friends? Why none of course. But then again maybe I am just not aware of the international charity of deniers. Someone help me out here.

It doesn't take much time to come up with non-religious charities. How about the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation?

Oh, look, here's a link to a bunch...

http://knotmyline.wordpress.com/2007/07 ... charities/

[_just me]

Willy Law, thanks for sharing the OP. That quote is quite lovely. Pretty much the opposite of what you hear about apostates in Sunday School.

:)

[_bcspace]

they feel free to read whatever they want, listen to whatever they want, think about whatever they want, discuss whatever they want, and let their minds wander or ponder as they will, without fear of eternally damaging their souls, angering their God, or disappointing their parents or pastor.

You think TBMs can do all of this without angering their God or disappointing their parents or bishop/SP/GA?

Yep.

[_Buffalo]

You think TBMs can do all of this without angering their God or disappointing their parents or bishop/SP/GA?

Yep.

Alma 12:14

14 For our words will condemn us, yea, all our works will condemn us; we shall not be found spotless; and our thoughts will also condemn us; and in this awful state we shall not dare to look up to our God; and we would fain be glad if we could command the rocks and the mountains to fall upon us to hide us from his presence.

[_bcspace]

Yep.

Alma 12:14

14 For our words will condemn us, yea, all our works will condemn us; we shall not be found spotless; and our thoughts will also condemn us; and in this awful state we shall not dare to look up to our God; and we would fain be glad if we could command the rocks and the mountains to fall upon us to hide us from his presence.

Still yep. I don't think you've learned to differentiate between wants and temptations. A typical anti Mormon condition.

[_Buffalo]

Still yep. I don't think you've learned to differentiate between wants and temptations. A typical anti Mormon condition.

You're either fooling yourself or are in deep apostasy if you think you are "free to read whatever they want, listen to whatever they want, think about whatever they want, discuss whatever they want, and let their minds wander or ponder as they will, without fear of eternally damaging their souls, angering their God, or disappointing their parents or pastor."

[_DarkHelmet]

Still yep. I don't think you've learned to differentiate between wants and temptations. A typical anti Mormon condition.

You're either fooling yourself or are in deep apostasy if you think you are "free to read whatever they want, listen to whatever they want, think about whatever they want, discuss whatever they want, and let their minds wander or ponder as they will, without fear of eternally damaging their souls, angering their God, or disappointing their parents or pastor."

I know where BC Space is going with this. The key word is "want". As a TBM he doesn't want to read, listen, think about, or discuss anything that would cause his god, parents, or pastor to be upset.

[_Franktalk]

Oh, please...One finds friendship with like-minded people. This is why religious communities work, too. And you've heard of this place called The Bible Belt, right Frank? That place is all about casting aspersions on those who aren't god-fearing.

Of course people gather with like minds. And I do agree that many Christians do judge way too much. Now there is a difference between talking about the behavior of someone and talking about where they may go after death.

My comments are a little over the top. But I thought I would bring some balance to the thread.

Frank