moksha wrote:
The missing the chat feature will deprive us of Blixa's animated gifs. That demands a remedy!!!
Serving one up especially for Moksha:

moksha wrote:
The missing the chat feature will deprive us of Blixa's animated gifs. That demands a remedy!!!
I'd won on multiple threads all at once.This was worth the price of admission tonight.
bcspace wrote:This was worth the price of admission tonight.
Since I don't do pro bono entertaining, just think of how good it would have been if you had actually paid the price.
LDSToronto wrote:The title says it all. Seems mormondiscussions has been dead lately - nothing interesting to talk about, chat all busted... sigh....
Have you guys all found better things to do?
H.
(Emphases added)There is so much to say - I could open up for a good hour or two on this subject and still not be done, but since it's lunch hour, let me see if I can sum up (and this summary will still be lacking)
Let's say that I have an interesting perspective, Runtu. On the one hand, you are correct - there are doctrines and policies that I believe the LDS church has wrong and to some degree I feel the LDS church of today is not the LDS church that Joseph Smith envisioned.
As per Joseph's role as a prophet, right now, all his flaws notwithstanding, I have hope that he he is a prophet. Brade, over on MADB, has a great way with words, so I'm going to paraphrase what I heard him say once - I've had a personal, mystical experience that, as near as I can approximate, confirms to me that Joseph was a prophet. In no way do I profess to know he is a prophet, at most, I have a strong hope. That may change one day, I don't know, but for now, it is where I stand on the spiritual spectrum.
I do believe in God and in Jesus Christ, but unlike most LDS I know, I can't attribute every policy, law, and doctrine to them, as I believe - actually, no, I *know* that those who profess to be prophets are fallible and have trouble discerning revelation from opinion. Thus, I stick as close to the New Testament ethical law that Christ preaches, believe in the atonement, and question most other things and put them against other ethical systems to determine if they are consistent with moral goodness.
As an organization, I feel the church does good, and wrong. Being in a stake presidency, and having served on a high council and in bishoprics, I've had the opportunity to see how sausages are made, so to speak, and a lot of what the church does is hard to reconcile against what Christ taught.
A bit of a ramble, my apologies. Fundamentally, I am a good person, I have a good family, good kids, good friends. I don't feel that I am an apostate of the LDS church; at the same time I am a realist - I know what I could lose if I expressed my views publicly, or amongst too many people. My wife knows where my belief is, where my hope is, and where my doubt is, and she loves me, and I know the same things about her. Some would call me a coward for not 'standing up'; that may be true, but I'd never pass judgment on another. Right now, life is good, and I don't think it's the right time to declare a split from my religion. Not just yet.
H.
bcspace wrote: when some of you had been reduced to invective against my answers. So there was nothing else to say; I'd won on multiple threads all at once.
RayAgostini wrote:
So, since you came here, you've been "enlightened"? This board has helped you to define who you are? And what about that "personal, mystical experience"? It counts for nothing now that you've been "enlightened" by MDB posters?