Yong Xi wrote:The priesthood ban is the one issue that has the potential to blow up.
Especially because Romney will be running against a black man. If Romney pulls ahead in the polls, I would not put it past the democratic machine to pull the race card. The church's priesthood ban, and statements made by BYU professors in 2012 trying to defend it, will stick out like the Ace of spades in the race card deck. I don't think Obama wants to play that card, but the party bosses and the Shaprtons and Jacksons would have no problem doing it.
Of all the presidential elections for the church to have a viable candidate, it had to be against a black guy.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Yong Xi wrote:The priesthood ban is the one issue that has the potential to blow up.
Especially because Romney will be running against a black man. If Romney pulls ahead in the polls, I would not put it past the democratic machine to pull the race card. The church's priesthood ban, and statements made by BYU professors in 2012 trying to defend it, will stick out like the Ace of spades in the race card deck. I don't think Obama wants to play that card, but the party bosses and the Shaprtons and Jacksons would have no problem doing it.
Of all the presidential elections for the church to have a viable candidate, it had to be against a black guy.
Mark E Peterson is a goldmine for those purposes. "Apostle" is a strong claim, and having an LDS "Apostle" make those kinds of racist statements is going to stick in the public mind.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
DarkHelmet wrote:Especially because Romney will be running against a black man. If Romney pulls ahead in the polls, I would not put it past the democratic machine to pull the race card. The church's priesthood ban, and statements made by BYU professors in 2012 trying to defend it, will stick out like the Ace of spades in the race card deck. I don't think Obama wants to play that card, but the party bosses and the Shaprtons and Jacksons would have no problem doing it.
Of all the presidential elections for the church to have a viable candidate, it had to be against a black guy.
Romney can easily diffuse the issue by using Dr. Peterson's logic, which is. I don't know why God is racist, I just don't know why God does these things.
It is my province to teach to the Church what the doctrine is. It is your province to echo what I say or to remain silent. Bruce R. McConkie
DarkHelmet wrote:Especially because Romney will be running against a black man. If Romney pulls ahead in the polls, I would not put it past the democratic machine to pull the race card. The church's priesthood ban, and statements made by BYU professors in 2012 trying to defend it, will stick out like the Ace of spades in the race card deck. I don't think Obama wants to play that card, but the party bosses and the Shaprtons and Jacksons would have no problem doing it.
Of all the presidential elections for the church to have a viable candidate, it had to be against a black guy.
Romney can easily diffuse the issue by using Dr. Peterson's logic, which is. I don't know why God is racist, I just don't know why God does these things.
Yep. That will go over well with the religious right, and any other God fearing american.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
The positions attributed to BYU professor Randy Bott in a recent Washington Post article absolutely do not represent the teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. BYU faculty members do not speak for the Church. It is unfortunate that the Church was not given a chance to respond to what others said.
The Church’s position is clear—we believe all people are God’s children and are equal in His eyes and in the Church. We do not tolerate racism in any form.
For a time in the Church there was a restriction on the priesthood for male members of African descent. It is not known precisely why, how, or when this restriction began in the Church but what is clear is that it ended decades ago. Some have attempted to explain the reason for this restriction but these attempts should be viewed as speculation and opinion, not doctrine. The Church is not bound by speculation or opinions given with limited understanding.
We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church.
The positions attributed to BYU professor Randy Bott in a recent Washington Post article absolutely do not represent the teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. BYU faculty members do not speak for the Church. It is unfortunate that the Church was not given a chance to respond to what others said.
The Church’s position is clear—we believe all people are God’s children and are equal in His eyes and in the Church. We do not tolerate racism in any form.
For a time in the Church there was a restriction on the priesthood for male members of African descent. It is not known precisely why, how, or when this restriction began in the Church but what is clear is that it ended decades ago. Some have attempted to explain the reason for this restriction but these attempts should be viewed as speculation and opinion, not doctrine. The Church is not bound by speculation or opinions given with limited understanding.
We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church.
Laugh my ass off.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
The positions attributed to BYU professor Randy Bott in a recent Washington Post article absolutely do not represent the teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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The Church is not bound by speculation or opinions given with limited understanding.
This is a potentially very useful position.
It means that the Church itself can, an any time, claim that previous embarrassing doctrines were given with limited understanding and, by this principle, simply decide not to be bound by them or to take responsibility for them.
Brilliant.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
The positions attributed to BYU professor Randy Bott in a recent Washington Post article absolutely do not represent the teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. BYU faculty members do not speak for the Church. It is unfortunate that the Church was not given a chance to respond to what others said.
The Church’s position is clear—we believe all people are God’s children and are equal in His eyes and in the Church. We do not currently tolerate racism in any form.
For a time in the Church there was a restriction on the priesthood for male members of African descent. It is not known precisely why, how, or when this restriction began in the Church but what is clear is that it ended decades ago. Some have attempted to explain the reason for this restriction but these attempts should be viewed as speculation and opinion, not doctrine. The Church is not bound by speculation or opinions given with limited understanding. This was not racism.... Trust us. Makes a Jedi hand waving motion
We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church. Wait... What? Condemn past racism...... aren't we condemning ourselves and Brigham Young? (And Peterson, and dozens of others)
Fixed.
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Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
The positions attributed to BYU professor Randy Bott in a recent Washington Post article absolutely do not represent the teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. BYU faculty members do not speak for the Church. It is unfortunate that the Church was not given a chance to respond to what others said.
The Church’s position is clear—we believe all people are God’s children and are equal in His eyes and in the Church. We do not tolerate racism in any form.
For a time in the Church there was a restriction on the priesthood for male members of African descent. It is not known precisely why, how, or when this restriction began in the Church but what is clear is that it ended decades ago. Some have attempted to explain the reason for this restriction but these attempts should be viewed as speculation and opinion, not doctrine. The Church is not bound by speculation or opinions given with limited understanding.
We condemn racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church.
Is it just me, or are they crawling, millimeter by pained millimeter, toward an actual apology?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.