PoGP on Canaanites, black skin and priesthood

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Re: PoGP on Canaanites, black skin and priesthood

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Buffalo wrote:
Moses 7:8

For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people.


Forgetting for a moment the fact that Israel stole their gods from the Canaanites, what's with this? You can see the familiar Book of Mormon theme of God cursing people with black skin, but the Canaanites weren't black - they were Semites, like the Hebrews. What's up with that?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_were_the_Canaanites

The Canaanites were the ancestral occupants of Palestine. They were a Semitic race, and spoke a West Semitic language very similar to ancient Hebrew.

Many Middle Eastern scholars regard the Canaanites as ancestors of today's Palestinians, although no doubt the Palestinians would also include Philistines, Nabateans and peninsular Arabs in their ancestry.

Some scholars believe that the Canaanites were the real ancestors of the Hebrew people.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_were_the_ ... z1EzvkSxX7


Also, Simon, one of the apostles of Christ, was a Canaanite. How is that possible if the Canaanites were black and cursed out of the priesthood?

http://LDS.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/1.21?lang=eng#20

21Now this king of Egypt was a descendant from the aloins of bHam, and was a partaker of the blood of the cCanaanites by birth.

22From this descent sprang all the Egyptians, and thus the blood of the aCanaanites was preserved in the land.

23The land of aEgypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden;

24When this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.

25Now the first agovernment of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham, and it was after the manner of the government of Ham, which was patriarchal.

26Pharaoh, being a righteous man, established his kingdom and judged his people wisely and justly all his days, seeking earnestly to imitate that aorder established by the fathers in the first generations, in the days of the first patriarchal reign, even in the reign of Adam, and also of Noah, his father, who blessed him with the bblessings of the earth, and with the blessings of wisdom, but cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood.



LDS Author Richard L. Bushman discusses these verses on Pages 288 and 289 of his Book. If you have his Book, You can look up those Pages within it.

Here is what Richard L. Bushman wrote on Page 289 of his Book:

Joseph [Smith] never commented on the Abraham text or implied it denied priesthood to blacks.


(Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling: 2005.)
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Bippity boppity bump!
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bcspace wrote:
Yet the Church also teaches in the Old Testament Student Manual that it has no doctrine regarding the age of the physical earth


Except it does...

From the Book of Abraham
4And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
This is a quote from the Book of Abraham.

This explicitly says that 1 God day = 1,000 earth years.

Mormon chronology (see Bible Dictionary) states that Adam was placed in the Garden of Eden circa 4,000BC.

If we assume that Adam was the very last piece of the creation (which took 6 God days or 6,000 earth years) then Mormonism teaches that the earth cannot be older than 12,000 years, as of today's date.

BCspace, Did I get any of my facts wrong?
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jon wrote:
bcspace wrote:
Yet the Church also teaches in the Old Testament Student Manual that it has no doctrine regarding the age of the physical earth


Except it does...

From the Book of Abraham
4And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
This is a quote from the Book of Abraham.

This explicitly says that 1 God day = 1,000 earth years.

Mormon chronology (see Bible Dictionary) states that Adam was placed in the Garden of Eden circa 4,000BC.

If we assume that Adam was the very last piece of the creation (which took 6 God days or 6,000 earth years) then Mormonism teaches that the earth cannot be older than 12,000 years, as of today's date.

BCspace, Did I get any of my facts wrong?


You could probably hedge about ancient Hebrew concepts of time. I've heard it said that the number 1000 was sometimes a stand-in for any large number. I'm not sure if that's true.

But I think the D&C passage about the age of the earth offers less wiggle room.
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bumpity bump
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Re: PoGP on Canaanites, black skin and priesthood

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This was one of bcspace's more embarrassing performances.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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