A formal apology...

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_Mary
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Morley wrote:I appreciate the intention, I really do. However, the use of "negro" demonstrates someone who is out of touch with modern race politics and culture. It also dilutes the message.


Hopefully, they will agree to change it... Thanks for the guidance....It's appreciated.
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_Mary
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Blixa, yes, that seems best..

Thanks..
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_Jersey Girl
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Another suggestion, Miss...

could it read brothers and sisters of color?

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Miss Taken wrote:For the church to say that they never taught the ban as doctrine, and that they have always welcomed peoples of all races, is simply untrue. I certainly couldn't put my name to that...


Thank you for your response.

When did the Church claim that it never taught the ban as Doctrine? The LDS Church claimed that some explanations are personal opinions and not Church doctrine.
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Miss Taken wrote:We further denounce the racist verses contained in The Book of Abraham, which, despite having been thoroughly discredited by Egyptologists in the 20th Century, remain to this day an integral part of church canon. The verses in question, (Abraham 1:21-24,27), support the teaching that negroes were cursed, and were always inferior in their rights. We find no value in them, and reject them.


I think this part will cost you most, if not all practicing Mormons. It would mean admitting that Joseph Smith was wrong, which usually is a concession they are unwilling to make. It may be better to just ignore these verses in the Book of Abraham. I do like the idea overall.
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3sheets2thewind wrote:
Miss Taken wrote:For the church to say that they never taught the ban as doctrine, and that they have always welcomed peoples of all races, is simply untrue. I certainly couldn't put my name to that...


Thank you for your response.

When did the Church claim that it never taught the ban as Doctrine? The LDS Church claimed that some explanations are personal opinions and not Church doctrine.


3 sheets, there are plenty of other threads on this site that deal with the issue you bring up. I really don't want to get into that here. Do you have any suggestions on the formal apology.... Do you think the writer has got anything wrong?
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Jersey girl, am passing all suggestions on, as they come in. I am sure they will be appreciated, you are a clever lot over here.
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Stormy Waters wrote:
Miss Taken wrote:We further denounce the racist verses contained in The Book of Abraham, which, despite having been thoroughly discredited by Egyptologists in the 20th Century, remain to this day an integral part of church canon. The verses in question, (Abraham 1:21-24,27), support the teaching that negroes were cursed, and were always inferior in their rights. We find no value in them, and reject them.


I think this part will cost you most, if not all practicing Mormons. It would mean admitting that Joseph Smith was wrong, which usually is a concession they are unwilling to make. It may be better to just ignore these verses in the Book of Abraham. I do like the idea overall.

The Book of Abraham--the proof in the pudding that all that Joseph Smith ever did religiously was fraudulent. It is the Mormon canon gift that never stops giving to non-Mormons.
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Stormy Waters wrote:
Miss Taken wrote:We further denounce the racist verses contained in The Book of Abraham, which, despite having been thoroughly discredited by Egyptologists in the 20th Century, remain to this day an integral part of church canon. The verses in question, (Abraham 1:21-24,27), support the teaching that negroes were cursed, and were always inferior in their rights. We find no value in them, and reject them.


I think this part will cost you most, if not all practicing Mormons. It would mean admitting that Joseph Smith was wrong, which usually is a concession they are unwilling to make. It may be better to just ignore these verses in the Book of Abraham. I do like the idea overall.


I've asked the writer to come over here... fingers crossed. It would be good to get as many active members on board as possible.
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I take back noble. Nobility comes when the leaders take this on as an official, doctrinal apology.
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