OMG, Rules of Conduct at the Mormon Mall???

[_Tobin]

So it appears all this consternation is only reserved for THIS mall because it's owned by Mormons. True - because it's a Mormon board, but the implication is that this mall is somehow different than all the others because Mormons own it when it would appear it is not
Which aah is going to stand up and say that?

Given the vast cost over-runs on this project, the fact that all the money controlled by the CoJCoLDS ultimately comes from the donations of church members, and given that the CoJCoLDS is currently telling its members that there is no more money to spend on such things as cleaning ward-houses (so members have to do that themselves), all the time refusing to let even its own members look at the books, it may be that both Mormons and exmormons on this Mormon Discussions Board may legitimately feel a special interest in the way this particular mall will be run.
You and I are not forced to join in if the subject does not interest us.

Mormons can give 10% to charity and feel just as good about it. So, I don't know why I need to care what the Mormon church does with their money?

I would encourage members to hold the church accountable and take a stand they don't get one penny unless they can be as honest and open as any man-made charity. I certainly am not going to give them any because I believe I have a duty as a conscientious member to hold my leaders to account. I really don't think I would have a problem getting a TR either. You are dedicating 10% of your money to help the poor and needy. You just aren't giving it to an unaccountable organization that has not earned your trust in this matter.

[_Chap]

Tobin is a Mormon poster for whose views I am beginning to feel an increasing respect.

That's uncomfortable: it's time for me to remind myself about the Jaredite barges.

[_Yahoo Bot]

I am not aware of any other mall in the world that has been funded by donations to a Church. Donations that the donors had no idea were going to be invested in businesses to generate profits to fund a shopping mall.

If you think this mall is in no way different to any other, feel free to say so.

Real estate investments are common parts of investment portfolios, whether they be churches or schools. From the very earliest history of the Christian church, wealthy benefactors left the Church houses, raw land and lots of property.

The LDS Church also has extensive land holdings in California (almond orchards), Florida and other states. Modern diversification modeling requires or recommends about a 20 percent holding in income-producing real estate. We're not talking about single family residences.

Each of the Catholic dioceses has an investment portfolio. The objective, according to their various websites, is to throw off a stable and enduring level of income to support the missions of the church. It is usually not their objective to sell their principal.

The LDS Church, I would imagine, has annual needs for the uses and application of income: construction of buildings, maintenance and the funding of missions. Just like the ancient Christian churches circa 100AD that had accumulated the wealth of deceased benefactors, so does the LDS church rely upon its endowment to fund its various operations, through the production of income.

It is not unusual for charitable and religious institutions to try and match investment decisions with the objectives of the institution. I know the Catholics worry a lot about some of their investments. So too does the Church believe that an investment in downtown SLC will throw off collateral, non-financial benefits to the Church.

As far as I know, the Church does not operate nor lease the mall but is a passive investor. These days, nobody in their right mind would try and operate a mall, but would rely upon Westfields or Taubman or some company like them.

[_Drifting]

I am not aware of any other mall in the world that has been funded by donations to a Church. Donations that the donors had no idea were going to be invested in businesses to generate profits to fund a shopping mall.

If you think this mall is in no way different to any other, feel free to say so.

Real estate investments are common parts of investment portfolios, whether they be churches or schools. From the very earliest history of the Christian church, wealthy benefactors left the Church houses, raw land and lots of property.

The LDS Church also has extensive land holdings in California (almond orchards), Florida and other states. Modern diversification modeling requires or recommends about a 20 percent holding in income-producing real estate. We're not talking about single family residences.

Each of the Catholic dioceses has an investment portfolio. The objective, according to their various websites, is to throw off a stable and enduring level of income to support the missions of the church. It is usually not their objective to sell their principal.

The LDS Church, I would imagine, has annual needs for the uses and application of income: construction of buildings, maintenance and the funding of missions. Just like the ancient Christian churches circa 100AD that had accumulated the wealth of deceased benefactors, so does the LDS church rely upon its endowment to fund its various operations, through the production of income.

It is not unusual for charitable and religious institutions to try and match investment decisions with the objectives of the institution. I know the Catholics worry a lot about some of their investments. So too does the Church believe that an investment in downtown Salt Lake City will throw off collateral, non-financial benefits to the Church.

As far as I know, the Church does not operate nor lease the mall but is a passive investor. These days, nobody in their right mind would try and operate a mall, but would rely upon Westfields or Taubman or some company like them.

Thanks for the insight.
What's your view on the fact that most members are oblivious of the investment route that their tithes take?

[_just me]

Tobin is a Mormon poster for whose views I am beginning to feel an increasing respect.

That's uncomfortable: it's time for me to remind myself about the Jaredite barges.

We need a laugh button, 4 realz.

[_Infymus]

videotaping or photography, without, in each instance, the prior written consent of center management

No pictures or video within the Mormon Jesus Mall.

Small "lol".

[_Yahoo Bot]

videotaping or photography, without, in each instance, the prior written consent of center management

No pictures or video within the Mormon Jesus Mall.

Small "lol".

Wow. Standard stuff in every mall. But because the Mormons own a mall with such rules, a foul conspiracy.

[_Yahoo Bot]

What's your view on the fact that most members are oblivious of the investment route that their tithes take?

Most members don't read history and don't care.

But if you were to read any number of biographical and historical works published by Deseret Books, you could follow the history of the Church fairly well in terms of its investment decisions. Recent bios about Pres. McKay and Pres. Moyle might help.

You could ask the same question, "why are most members oblivious of the Mormon doctrine of free will versus Evangelical predeterminism?" Most members don't read or care to know.

[_Buffalo]

What's your view on the fact that most members are oblivious of the investment route that their tithes take?

Most members don't read history and don't care.

But if you were to read any number of biographical and historical works published by Deseret Books, you could follow the history of the Church fairly well in terms of its investment decisions. Recent bios about Pres. McKay and Pres. Moyle might help.

You could ask the same question, "why are most members oblivious of the Mormon doctrine of free will versus Evangelical predeterminism?" Most members don't read or care to know.

Which explains why they're still active members.

[_sock puppet]

City Creek Center is privately owned property (“Property”). We welcome all visitors who comply with these Rules of Conduct and our other policies. We have established these Rules of Conduct to insure the safety and comfort of all visitors.

The following are prohibited on the Property:

1. Disorderly, intimidating, threatening, dangerous or disruptive conduct of any nature, including but not limited to: use of obscene or insulting language or gestures, loitering, running, yelling, fighting, throwing any objects, littering, playing radios or other audio devices, rollerblading, skateboarding, bicycling.

2. Standing, walking, sitting or moving in such a way as to cause inconvenience to others, or in or on a prohibited area or object.

3. Any act which could result in physical harm to persons or damage to property.

4. Any act prohibited by local, state or federal laws or ordinances.

5. Truancy.

6. Possession of an open container or consumption of alcoholic beverages other than in licensed areas.

7. Possession or consumption of illegal substances.

8. Distribution of literature or other items, offering any item for sale, solicitation, conducting surveys, videotaping or photography, without, in each instance, the prior written consent of center management under the center’s Access Policy or other applicable policies.

9. Visiting the center without shirt or shoes, or failing to be fully clothed. Wearing clothing that is, or in a manner that is, obscene, offensive to others, that may provoke a disturbance, or is otherwise inconsistent with a first-class, family-oriented shopping center.

10. Smoking.

11. Possession of pets or other animals, except dogs, is prohibited. Dogs and their owners must adhere to the Canine Code of Conduct at all times. Canine Code of Conduct is available at Customer Service.

The foregoing list of prohibited activities is not intended to be an exhaustive list of all prohibited activities on the Property, and management reserves the right to prohibit any activity or conduct which is detrimental to or inconsistent with a first-class, family-oriented shopping center. Management’s interpretation of these Rules of Conduct is conclusive and binding.

Violators of these Rules of Conduct may be subject to expulsion, banning, and/or arrest for criminal trespass or for other violation of the law. Violators of banning orders may be subject to arrest and prosecution for criminal trespass. These Rules of Conduct may be amended or changed at any time and are in addition to all other rules and policies pertaining to the Property.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home3/5360 ... t.html.csp

Wow. Mormons' Eleven (Mall) Commandments.

Will you have to don Temple garb to be able to walk through this money changing temple?