Chap wrote:
If anyone thinks Hoops is doing more than waste time here, please say so.
That's all he ever does. He very rarely sinks to the level of "discussing things" with "people who post here."
Chap wrote:
If anyone thinks Hoops is doing more than waste time here, please say so.
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zeezrom wrote:Hoops,
Here is my answer to how I think God should have answered the family's prayer:
Cause the bolts holding the structural members of the house to fuse together at just the right moments such that the structure would stay whole. Vacuums would be created near the floor so that each person would stay in place. The wind of the tornado would whip the structure around horizontally so that the people would not get hurt. Land the structure on something that is collapsible (say, someone else's empty house) to soften the landing.
Hoops wrote:zeezrom wrote:Hoops,
Here is my answer to how I think God should have answered the family's prayer:
Cause the bolts holding the structural members of the house to fuse together at just the right moments such that the structure would stay whole. Vacuums would be created near the floor so that each person would stay in place. The wind of the tornado would whip the structure around horizontally so that the people would not get hurt. Land the structure on something that is collapsible (say, someone else's empty house) to soften the landing.
Okay, fair enough. So you are okay with God interacting (or even interfering) in such a tangible way? That's fine and thank you.
What would you have God do with the family who MEANT to pray, but in their rush to secure themselves they didn't get to it?
My point is this: if you are going to condemn God for His inaction (allegedly), then you have to offer what action is acceptable and reconcile the consequences of the actions you propose.
Hoops wrote:
I asked HOW - not the end result.
Panopticon wrote:Hoops wrote:
I asked HOW - not the end result.
Let's start with a world in which tornadoes don't occur. The placement of the Rocky Mountains and the Gulf of Mexico create the perfect conditions for tornadoes. While we are on the subject of what God could do (or could have done), how about choosing a world that was more tectonically stable. This could have prevented the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Indonesians.
The subtext of almost all believers' arguments is that there is some good to natural evil. Pain is "God's megaphone," as C.S. Lewis so crassly put it.
I reject the idea that tsunamis or weather-related disasters are necessary. They are incredibly blunt instruments where God has much more precise control over who lives or dies.
But don't tornadoes have some positive result?Let's start with a world in which tornadoes don't occur. The placement of the Rocky Mountains and the Gulf of Mexico create the perfect conditions for tornadoes.
Biblically speaking, He did.While we are on the subject of what God could do (or could have done), how about choosing a world that was more tectonically stable.
So now your complaint is that He should have made a world without death? Biblically speaking He did that to.This could have prevented the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Indonesians.
Yes, it would appear that there is. Do you disagree?The subtext of almost all believers' arguments is that there is some good to natural evil. Pain is "God's megaphone," as C.S. Lewis so crassly put it.
How do you know?I reject the idea that tsunamis or weather-related disasters are necessary.
So this is your preference? That God exercise such control that one family dies and the other lives? How would you have Him choose?They are incredibly blunt instruments where God has much more precise control over who lives or dies.
Tobin wrote:Panopticon wrote:
Let's start with a world in which tornadoes don't occur. The placement of the Rocky Mountains and the Gulf of Mexico create the perfect conditions for tornadoes. While we are on the subject of what God could do (or could have done), how about choosing a world that was more tectonically stable. This could have prevented the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Indonesians.
The subtext of almost all believers' arguments is that there is some good to natural evil. Pain is "God's megaphone," as C.S. Lewis so crassly put it.
I reject the idea that tsunamis or weather-related disasters are necessary. They are incredibly blunt instruments where God has much more precise control over who lives or dies.
Ah, the ole world without death routine.
Hoops wrote:But don't tornadoes have some positive result?Let's start with a world in which tornadoes don't occur. The placement of the Rocky Mountains and the Gulf of Mexico create the perfect conditions for tornadoes.