Family dies holding hands, praying

[_Hoops]

No, please explain how the logic of my post is not valid.

Oh, I see. I have to answer your questions but you can ignore mine. But I'll give it a go anyway. It's not like there's anything more that can fuel your arrogance.

[_Tobin]

Hoops,

Endlessly bickering with these guys is pointless. Just state your position and your reasons and leave it at that. If you see a problem or error in their positions, then address that only.

Clearly they want to paint God as a mean old magic genie in the sky that is ruthless in how he denies his worshipers their every desire. So be it. You can state you don't believe in any such being and end it there.

[_Molok]

No, God wants no one to die. See Genesis.

There's a great story in Genesis about God killing everyone on the planet. What were you saying?

[_Chap]

.... Just state your position and your reasons and leave it at that. If you see a problem or error in their positions, then address that only....

I really, really wish she would take this advice. What we actually get from Hoops is a dreary diet of contentless one-liners, assertions that her opponents are stupid, and the occasional flat contradiction.

Sustained argument with explicit reasoning and clear citation of evidence? She doesn't seem to know what it means. I really don't know what she is doing on a discussion board at all.

[_Buffalo]

Got it in one! She has learned a few standard ripostes, and simply churns them out in chatbot style, even when they don't make much sense, as in this case.

She's like the evangelical bcspace.

[_Jason Bourne]

No, not the instrument. Try again.

How about sucking the funnel of the tornado back in the the heavens and thus stopping the storm in from its destructive path. Sort of like Jesus did when he calmed the storm on the Sea of Galilee.

[_Jason Bourne]

To where? Are you demanding that God place tornadoes only where there are no people? Okay. What about fire? Thunderstorms? Floods? And all the rest?

Then what about the scary man down the street? Should there be some barrier that protects us from him? Just what are you willing to allow?

I want the paradise God started with. You know, before Adam and Eve sinned and were given the boot, and the fall came about.

Wasn't the world supposed to be perfect then, and free from tornadoes, earthquakes, death and evil? I wonder why God just didn't punish Adam and Eve and start with a couple of new humans. Why did the billions of us who came after have to suffer because our first parents screwed up? How just is that?

[_Hoops]

No, not the instrument. Try again.

How about sucking the funnel of the tornado back in the the heavens and thus stopping the storm in from its destructive path. Sort of like Jesus did when he calmed the storm on the Sea of Galilee.

Yes, I understand that may seem reasonable. But where to go from there? Does mean that there can be no tornadoes where people are? Because I'm fairly certain that people will be praying. You've read the rest, you know where I'm going with us.

[_Hoops]

I want the paradise God started with. You know, before Adam and Eve sinned and were given the boot, and the fall came about.

Me to.

Wasn't the world supposed to be perfect then, and free from tornadoes, earthquakes, death and evil?

Yes.

I wonder why God just didn't punish Adam and Eve and start with a couple of new humans.

Interesting. But that might mean there would be no Jason Bourne. Are you sure that's what you want?

Why did the billions of us who came after have to suffer because our first parents screwed up? How just is that?]

The justice is in the remedy.

[_Hoops]

and the mercy.