Family dies holding hands, praying

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Re: Family dies holding hands, praying

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liz3564 wrote:Most Evangelicals I have associated with believe that all who are faithful will live together with God as part of one giant family.

I won't quibble with your word choice, but...

yep.
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Hoops wrote:
Chap wrote:[

If harmony cares to reply, I shall be interested. No chatbots need apply, however.

If you're referring to me, I'll note that you studiously avoided the one question I put to you.


I will answer what I would have LIKED to have seen happen. I would loved to have seen the storm either bypass this family's home...or...at least knocked them free of debris, and for them to have survived...maybe with a few bumps and bruises, but alive, nonetheless. That would have been looked upon as a modern miracle.
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Hoops wrote:
liz3564 wrote:Most Evangelicals I have associated with believe that all who are faithful will live together with God as part of one giant family.

I won't quibble with your word choice, but...

yep.

I'm curious. What would your word choice be?
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Re: Family dies holding hands, praying

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liz3564 wrote: Most Evangelicals I have associated with believe that all who (are faithful) whose sins are forgiven will live together with God as part of one giant family.
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liz3564 wrote:
I will answer what I would have LIKED to have seen happen. I would loved to have seen the storm either bypass this family's home...or...at least knocked them free of debris, and for them to have survived...maybe with a few bumps and bruises, but alive, nonetheless. That would have been looked upon as a modern miracle.

Me to. But that's not my question. You've described the consequence of God's intervention. I'm asking how one would have God execute the intervention.
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Hoops wrote:
liz3564 wrote:
I will answer what I would have LIKED to have seen happen. I would loved to have seen the storm either bypass this family's home...or...at least knocked them free of debris, and for them to have survived...maybe with a few bumps and bruises, but alive, nonetheless. That would have been looked upon as a modern miracle.

Me to. But that's not my question. You've described the consequence of God's intervention. I'm asking how one would have God execute the intervention.

???

I am confused at what you are asking. Since God controls the elements, couldn't God direct those storm elements to bypass the little family? As I mentioned, the storm could have headed in a different direction, or, it could have thrown the family in such a way that they might have been inured, but lived, nonetheless.
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Hoops wrote:
liz3564 wrote: Most Evangelicals I have associated with believe that all who (are faithful) whose sins are forgiven will live together with God as part of one giant family.

Ah, OK.

I guess, to me, and, to most LDS, faithful and sins being forgiven are interrchangeable terms.
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liz3564 wrote:Ah, OK.

I guess, to me, and, to most LDS, faithful and sins being forgiven are interrchangeable terms.

I assumed as much.
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Re: Family dies holding hands, praying

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liz3564 wrote:I am confused at what you are asking. Since God controls the elements, couldn't God direct those storm elements to bypass the little family? As I mentioned, the storm could have headed in a different direction, or, it could have thrown the family in such a way that they might have been inured, but lived, nonetheless.

Yes, all of that is true. But where would the tornado go? on top of a family who is not praying? There would be just as much uproar. Or, perhaps, this particular tornado landed nowhere near any humans. But what about the next one? Same uproar. Then we have to get rid of tornadoes entirely. What are the consequences of that?
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Hoops wrote:
liz3564 wrote:I am confused at what you are asking. Since God controls the elements, couldn't God direct those storm elements to bypass the little family? As I mentioned, the storm could have headed in a different direction, or, it could have thrown the family in such a way that they might have been inured, but lived, nonetheless.

Yes, all of that is true. But where would the tornado go? on top of a family who is not praying? There would be just as much uproar. Or, perhaps, this particular tornado landed nowhere near any humans. But what about the next one? Same uproar. Then we have to get rid of tornadoes entirely. What are the consequences of that?

I don't really see why tornadoes need to exist in the first place. What good in the scheme of nature, do they cause?

And, yes, why couldn't the tornado simply land in an unoccupied territory?
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