Is this real? Schools can drop Sex Ed

[_Infymus]

Then the glorious state of abortions for all, dead children everywhere can be realized yet again.

You sicken me. Equating women's rights to dead children.

Such venom Hoops. Glad I sicken you. I was a crappy member and I'm being consistent.

I believe women should have 100% equal rights. I believe that a woman should have complete access to health care, contraceptives paid for by health care and no wait abortions. A woman's body is her body and she can choose what she wants to do with it. I'm not going to argue with you on when a fetus becomes a human being. Besides Hoops, all those dead "children" get a free ticket in Mormon heaven don't they?

At the same time I believe that women should be able to be presidents, priests, kings and leaders and anything else they so choose to be.

[_Hoops]

Such venom Hoops. Glad I sicken you.

That works out then, cause you do.

I believe women should have 100% equal rights.

Nonsensical. Who doesn't?

I believe that a woman should have complete access to health care, contraceptives paid for by health care and no wait abortions. A woman's body is her body and she can choose what she wants to do with it. I'm not going to argue with you on when a fetus becomes a human being.

Just how many dead children are there in a fashionable, trendy Infymus?

Besides Hoops, all those dead "children" get a free ticket in Mormon heaven don't they?

I wouldn't know. And I'm not Mormon.

At the same time I believe that women should be able to be presidents, priests, kings and leaders and anything else they so choose to be.

Which has nothing to do with the millions of slaughtered babies.

[_Chap]

This started as a thread about Utah legislators forbidding schools to teach children about contraception.

I notice that Hoops is very upset about the termination of pregnancy.

Presumably she will therefore want everybody who might have sex to be taught about contraception before they are likely to have sexual relations, and to ensure that they use it if they do not wish to produce a child that they intend to raise.

It's nice to know that we are on the same page for once.

[_Buffalo]

Which has nothing to do with the millions of slaughtered babies.

We're talking about abortion, not what your God was getting up to in the Old Testament.

[_Fence Sitter]

Many people believe that abortion kills humans.
Some of those same people believe that without baptism humans are condemned to hell (purgatory, outer darkness however it is described.)
Therefore those aborted babies, by that system of belief, are condemned eternally without ever having been born. What kind of God creates or allows a system like that to exist?

[_Hoops]

This started as a thread about Utah legislators forbidding schools to teach children about contraception.

Uh, no. That's not what the thread is about, it's not what the article is about, and it's not what the legislature is doing. Wrong again.

I notice that Hoops is very upset about the termination of pregnancy.

How quaint. I'm upset about abortion.

Presumably she will therefore want everybody who might have sex to be taught about contraception before they are likely to have sexual relations, and to ensure that they use it if they do not wish to produce a child that they intend to raise.

Irrelevant regarding slaughtering babies.

[_Hoops]

Many people believe that abortion kills humans.
Some of those same people believe that without baptism humans are condemned to hell (purgatory, outer darkness however it is described.)
Therefore those aborted babies, by that system of belief, are condemned eternally without ever having been born. What kind of God creates or allows a system like that to exist?

If you're talking about the RCC, you're wrong again.

[_Hoops]

Interestingly, the LDS church isn't even anti-abortion.

[_Buffalo]

Interestingly, the LDS church isn't even anti-abortion.

Neither is God, apparently.

Numbers 5:12-31

New International Version (NIV)
12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the LORD cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

[Guest]

This started as a thread about Utah legislators forbidding schools to teach children about contraception.

Uh, no. That's not what the thread is about, it's not what the article is about, and it's not what the legislature is doing. Wrong again.

From the OP:

The Legislature gave final passage Tuesday to a bill that would let schools skip teaching sex education and prohibit instruction in the use of contraception.

Presumably she will therefore want everybody who might have sex to be taught about contraception before they are likely to have sexual relations, and to ensure that they use it if they do not wish to produce a child that they intend to raise.

Irrelevant regarding slaughtering babies.

To be more exact, Hoops's indignation about the medical termination of pregnancy is not directly relevant to this thread, except in so far as the wider use of contraception by couples having intercourse without a wish to conceive would be likely to reduce the phenomenon that she dislikes.

I deliberately refrain from expressing an opinion on the medical termination of pregnancy in itself, either directly or through my choice of words, so as to allow her to take the thread further off-topic by giving us an exhibition of her mind-reading skills.


EDITED TO ADD:

Here is a link to the bill itself:

http://le.utah.gov/~2012/bills/hbillamd/HB0363.htm

(c) Human sexuality instruction or instructional programs may not include instruction
70 in H. [ [ ] [ , ] or the advocacy of [ ] ] [ , or the discussion of ] .H :
71 (i) the intricacies of intercourse, sexual stimulation, or erotic behavior;
72 (ii) H. [ the advocacy of ] .H homosexuality;
73 (iii) H. [ the advocacy or encouragement of ] the use of .H contraceptive methods or
73a devices;