Watered Down Mormonism?

[_schreech]

Don't worry about it. This isn't something that should concern you.

Darth, I, for once, actually agree with tobin here. His looney, pseudo-lds mental concoctions aren't something that should concern you (or anybody).

[_Gadianton]

DarthJ,

My guess is a few people out there have more thoroughly explored the path of TBM specialness than others. We know that not only is one extremely lucky to be born into the only true church, but on the very world that happens to be both the most wicked and most righteous of any of the worlds without end HF created. Out of the billions and billions of worlds, this was the one Jesus came to and he died for everyone on this world and all HF's other worlds too.

Great idea. Except for one thing. While making Jesus special beyond comprehension, but make HF look like a chump. For all we know, HF was a janitor when he was a man. So he's an exalted ex-janitor, and Christ is this exalted superhuman, the most righteous humanoid from among billions of worlds. So someone thunked up the idea, HF might have been the Jesus on his world! Holy Cow! what are the odds that you were born Mormon, on a world a Jesus died on, who happened to be the son of yet another Jesus? It's unthinkable.

So my guess is guys like Tobin consider these absurd odds, and try to work out two classes of humanoids to avoid the sheer problematic specialness of our situation.

[_Nightlion]

DarthJ,

My guess is a few people out there have more thoroughly explored the path of TBM specialness than others. We know that not only is one extremely lucky to be born into the only true church, but on the very world that happens to be both the most wicked and most righteous of any of the worlds without end HF created. Out of the billions and billions of worlds, this was the one Jesus came to and he died for everyone on this world and all HF's other worlds too.

Great idea. Except for one thing. While making Jesus special beyond comprehension, but make HF look like a chump. For all we know, HF was a janitor when he was a man. So he's an exalted ex-janitor, and Christ is this exalted superhuman, the most righteous humanoid from among billions of worlds. So someone thunked up the idea, HF might have been the Jesus on his world! Holy Cow! what are the odds that you were born Mormon, on a world a Jesus died on, who happened to be the son of yet another Jesus? It's unthinkable.

So my guess is guys like Tobin consider these absurd odds, and try to work out two classes of humanoids to avoid the sheer problematic specialness of our situation.

How long have I been on this board? Three years missing some time here and there. Why is it nobody ever reads enough of my writings to learn some answers?
Is it so impossible that there actually can be a rationale that makes sense of the restoration scripture and teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Give it a chance. For the love of Mike!
herearetheanswers

[_Darth J]

DarthJ,

My guess is a few people out there have more thoroughly explored the path of TBM specialness than others. We know that not only is one extremely lucky to be born into the only true church, but on the very world that happens to be both the most wicked and most righteous of any of the worlds without end HF created. Out of the billions and billions of worlds, this was the one Jesus came to and he died for everyone on this world and all HF's other worlds too.

Great idea. Except for one thing. While making Jesus special beyond comprehension, but make HF look like a chump. For all we know, HF was a janitor when he was a man. So he's an exalted ex-janitor, and Christ is this exalted superhuman, the most righteous humanoid from among billions of worlds. So someone thunked up the idea, HF might have been the Jesus on his world! Holy Cow! what are the odds that you were born Mormon, on a world a Jesus died on, who happened to be the son of yet another Jesus? It's unthinkable.

So my guess is guys like Tobin consider these absurd odds, and try to work out two classes of humanoids to avoid the sheer problematic specialness of our situation.

Oh, I agree, Dean Robbers. Tobin has no issue making metaphysical pseduo-Mormon claims on a public message board, but it "doesn't concern" me what the basis is for his assertions.

While it may be possible that he is teaching the philosophies of men mingled with scripture, more likely his "doesn't concern you" response suggests that he is implying that it is too sacred to talk about. That is, much like The Nehor, God is revealing to Tobin his own idiosyncratic truths about what Joseph Smith's teachings really mean.

[_Tobin]

Oh, I agree, Dean Robbers. Tobin has no issue making metaphysical pseduo-Mormon claims on a public message board, but it "doesn't concern" me what the basis is for his assertions.
While it may be possible that he is teaching the philosophies of men mingled with scripture, more likely his "doesn't concern you" response suggests that he is implying that it is too sacred to talk about. That is, much like The Nehor, God is revealing to Tobin his own idiosyncratic truths about what Joseph Smith's teachings really mean.

Not really. I meant that you have no frame of reference and so further discussion with you is pointless. It was made clear by your comments that you don't know what Celestial beings are and how they relate to Mormonism.

[_Gadianton]

he is implying that it is too sacred to talk about.

Or "no frame of reference."

thought I'd draw out this one as an example of how the TBM mind is internally navigating bits and pieces of folk wisdom to come up with these weird ideas.

[_Tobin]

he is implying that it is too sacred to talk about.

Or "no frame of reference."
thought I'd draw out this one as an example of how the TBM mind is internally navigating bits and pieces of folk wisdom to come up with these weird ideas.

If you are going to discuss Mormonism, you should know something about it. I really don't have patience for those that don't understand things like this since I can sit down with an informed Mormon and have a very good discussion about it. It is just too annoying to have to explain all the issues to the uninitiated in a forum like this. So I choose not to bother with it.

[Guest]

But here is a link from the Prophet Seer and Newsroom, that new pronouncer of revelation and doctrine for the LDS Church.

The LDS Newsroom is not really new and has always been official as long as the Church has published it. Say rather that some on the MDD are just now coming around to the fact that official doctrine is identified by official publication. Probably because they read something between the lines that they liked in a recent publication but wasn't actually there as we have come to find out, but it's a start. These people are 30-40 years behind curve when it comes to doctrine and the Church has long moved without them. Give them a break; they are experiencing shock and the euphoric freedom having access to the doctrine brings. It's common sense really. The Church is not going to allow or allow for long something to be published that it feels is in error.

Thank you GBH we don't know much about that. What happened to God being man and we learning to become a god just like our God did? Where is that?

How does this conflict with other published doctrine that God was once a mortal man?

Well BY and crew certainly believed this and taught is. So did McConkie and JFS. So did all my seminary teachers. Guess they were wrong.

Was it published in any doctrinal work? We know the JoD is not a doctrinal work nor has it been.

I will let the women here opine on this.

No conflicts or changes here either.

So was Joseph Smith wrong? What then was Adam-ondi-Ahman?

The doctrine places the Garden in a county If I recall correctly. No word on the extent. It is also true that such knowledge is not necessary to salvation. Again, no conflict.

Milk before meat is all this FAQ is. Just because you don't see a certain detail here doesn't mean it's been abandoned.

[_Willy Law]

Do Mormons believe that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri?

We do not know exactly where the original site of the Garden of Eden is. While not an important or foundational doctrine, Joseph Smith established a settlement in Daviess County, Missouri, and taught that the Garden of Eden was somewhere in that area. Like knowing the precise number of animals on Noah’s ark, knowing the precise location of the Garden of Eden is far less important to one’s salvation than believing in the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

Maybe when they say "we do not know" they mean the flunkies in the newsroom do not know. The prophets of God knew exactly where the garden of eden was. Apparently the newsroom boys have apostatized and are coming up with their own interpretations.

March 30, 1873: At evening prayer circle: President Young said Joseph the
Prophet told me that the Garden [172] of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri,
and when Adam was driven out of the Garden of Eden, he went about 40 miles to
the place which he named Adam ondi Ahman, and there built an alter of stone
and offered sacrifice. That altar remains to this day. I saw it as Adam left
it, as did many others, and through all the revolutions of the world, that
alter had not been disturbed. Joseph also said that when the City of Enoch
fled and was translated, it was where the gulf of Mexico now is; it left that
gulf a body of water.
Wilford Wodruff's Journal

[_Darth J]

he is implying that it is too sacred to talk about.

Or "no frame of reference."

thought I'd draw out this one as an example of how the TBM mind is internally navigating bits and pieces of folk wisdom to come up with these weird ideas.

Of course. Lifelong Mormons who have been on missions and been married in the temple have no concept of what a "celestial being" is. It's just a variation on a theme from the trope that apostates either never understood the Church or got amnesia when they stopped believing in the faith-promoting narrative.