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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:Last week the LDS church put up a website, called Mormonism 101 to answer questions frequently asked by reporters. One question asks if Mormons believe they will become gods. They say the answer is no. They also asked if Mormons believe they will get their own planets. Once again they answer with a no. Why is it then that on the church's own website it states that one of the blessings of exaltation is "They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23)"? Clearly they are trying to cover up the truth (once again) to appear more mainstream.

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormonism-101

http://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-47-exaltation?lang=eng


Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

The clue is in these sentences. Since they will have no end, they will become gods. God has no end. And as such they will be the same as god. But I see no reference to having one's own planet or having the power of our heavenly father.

Also, we need to look at the early church and how it was organized. First we have the angel moroni. Why wasn't moroni a god, with his own planet? He seems that he was just a messenger. Then, when we have both priesthoods brought back, some very important spirits did it. Why weren't they gods already with their own planet and having the power of god? It seems that they were still working to further the will of god.

So, the D&C verses are very flowerly, attempting to show through a visualization process just what will occur when one is faithful.
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Yep, why me answered that perfectly. The gods are those saved and that go to the Celestial Kingdom (heaven), which will be the Earth actually.
Matt 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
They won't be God (God is perfect and always was perfect and never sins, is more intelligent than us, and saves us - we can not save ourselves). We can never do what God did for us, but we can serve God and do as God asks and if we do, we will share in all that God has and does.
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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:
The LDS church. Both links are from official church websites.


The LDS church is made up of people. Who are those people? Basically, what you are saying is that there are LDS members attempting to deceive the public and other members. And so, who are these people?
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why me wrote:
Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:
The LDS church. Both links are from official church websites.


The LDS church is made up of people. Who are those people? Basically, what you are saying is that there are LDS members attempting to deceive the public and other members. And so, who are these people?


I think Kittens is referring to the paid clergy of the Church...
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bcspace wrote:
One question asks if Mormons believe they will become gods. They say the answer is no.


Oh really? Can you quote that part please? I can't seem to see it.

They also asked if Mormons believe they will get their own planets. Once again they answer with a no.


But did you read the last sentence? Is the answer then "no" or is the answer "no, it's not doctrine"?


What's the difference?
Or are you saying the answer should be "No it's not doctrine but yes LDS believe it".
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why me wrote:
Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:Last week the LDS church put up a website, called Mormonism 101 to answer questions frequently asked by reporters. One question asks if Mormons believe they will become gods. They say the answer is no. They also asked if Mormons believe they will get their own planets. Once again they answer with a no. Why is it then that on the church's own website it states that one of the blessings of exaltation is "They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23)"? Clearly they are trying to cover up the truth (once again) to appear more mainstream.

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormonism-101

http://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-47-exaltation?lang=eng


Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

The clue is in these sentences. Since they will have no end, they will become gods. God has no end. And as such they will be the same as god. But I see no reference to having one's own planet or having the power of our heavenly father.

Also, we need to look at the early church and how it was organized. First we have the angel moroni. Why wasn't moroni a god, with his own planet? He seems that he was just a messenger. Then, when we have both priesthoods brought back, some very important spirits did it. Why weren't they gods already with their own planet and having the power of god? It seems that they were still working to further the will of god.

So, the D&C verses are very flowerly, attempting to show through a visualization process just what will occur when one is faithful.


So the words "they shall be gods because they have all power" doesn't mean they will have God's power? Really?

As to Moroni and the others not being gods, that's supposed to take place after the end of the world. That's what they taught me in seminary, anyways.
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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:So the words "they shall be gods because they have all power" doesn't mean they will have God's power? Really?

As to Moroni and the others not being gods, that's supposed to take place after the end of the world. That's what they taught me in seminary, anyways.


It is not fair to talk to whyme about stuff you learned in seminary.
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I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
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That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:
Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:So the words "they shall be gods because they have all power" doesn't mean they will have God's power? Really?

As to Moroni and the others not being gods, that's supposed to take place after the end of the world. That's what they taught me in seminary, anyways.


It is not fair to talk to whyme about stuff you learned in seminary.
Chap, with such economy of words, you say so much in but one sentence.
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Fence Sitter wrote:We are Mormons and becoming more and more like any other garden variety Christian church every day.


I actually consider this a good thing. :wink:
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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:
So the words "they shall be gods because they have all power" doesn't mean they will have God's power? Really?

As to Moroni and the others not being gods, that's supposed to take place after the end of the world. That's what they taught me in seminary, anyways.


After the end of the world? Moroni was a spirit doing the work of god. In fact, I was taught that when the faithful die they will be doing much work for the kingdom of god. In fact, the celestial kingdom is no place of rest but a place of work. When will this work end? I have no idea.

The verse does not say: they will become gods with their own planets.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
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We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
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