A formal apology...

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Re: A formal apology...

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Jersey Girl wrote:
To whom is it "just as bad as negro"?


The term people of color is no better then negro. Is it really that hard to see that?
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Themis wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
To whom is it "just as bad as negro"?


The term people of color is no better then negro. Is it really that hard to see that?


Are you an American? The term 'People of Color' is a multicultural expression for all those who aren't white. In fact, it is the whites that should be offended since it implies whites have no color. You need to go back to the nineties to see the use of that expression.
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Mary wrote:Why me, you are a lost cause.. :sad:

For anyone interested the petition is now up to 106 signatures.


You know and I know that the petition is agenda ridden because of the Romney candidacy. Of course, Mormon critics will be crawling out of the woodwork if Romney is nominated as the republican candidate. It is up to the active african members of the church and not you, to request an apology. And if the support is low among that particular group, then so be it. Move on.
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Jersey Girl wrote:To whom is it "just as bad as negro"?
Themis wrote:The term people of color is no better then negro. Is it really that hard to see that?

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Why me said:Now about the apology? What should the church apologize for? Not giving african americans the priesthood? I see no reason for an apology and I don't believe that one will be forthcoming. Any church that embraces political correctness is doomed to fail.


The church, as BC is arguing in another thread, (and understandably so, because this is what we were all taught), instituted the policy of denying the blacks the priesthood, because it was God's will....divinely appointed. They didn't do it, God did, and they now don't know why God did it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that God did it.


As someone else on here said, the church leadership would rather throw God under the proverbial bus, than themselves.

It was God what did it officer....naffing to do with me... (said in marked British accent for comic effect)

This is what they should be apologising for. For masquerading racist theology as God's will.

You know and I know that the petition is agenda ridden because of the Romney candidacy. Of course, Mormon critics will be crawling out of the woodwork if Romney is nominated as the republican candidate. It is up to the active african members of the church and not you, to request an apology. And if the support is low among that particular group, then so be it. Move on.



The Romney candidacy provides an opportunity because of the higher public profile of the church and its doctrines which the leadership will be most certainly aware of.

And by the way,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ek_jkwG ... re=related

I actually believe Mitt Romney, knowing a little about his parents actions during the Civil Rights movement, that he was absolutely not racist himself, and would be much too loyal to the church to call them out on it. I also believe that his emotions are sincere. He picked the best out of the Mormon faith and ignored the worst. I believe that he stopped his car and wept as did many members over here in the UK. (weep that is, not stop the car)


And by the way, I feel I should apologise to black people and to others because either by membership in the church, or my past association with it, it might be assumed that I believed that the curse of cain doctrine was from God, and I don't believe that and never have done.
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Mary wrote:

And by the way, I feel I should apologise to black people and to others because either by membership in the church, or my past association with it, it might be assumed that I believed that the curse of cain doctrine was from God, and I don't believe that and never have done.


Mary, you are out of the box. You are not in the faith anymore. Now if you were, you would have a better case. But you are out. And because of this, you have a much weaker position and you sound as if you have an agenda. And of course, you do have an agenda, even if it is a personal agenda to verify that you made the right decision by leaving the faith. Likewise for all the other exmos in exmotown who are attempting to make hay over this issue. But it is really up to the african american leadership who run the blacklds or the ldsgenesis group to get involved over an apology and they are not involved. So, what to do? Move on.
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why me wrote:But it is really up to the african american leadership who run the blacklds or the ldsgenesis group to get involved over an apology and they are not involved. So, what to do? Move on.


Why is it up to them?
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Drifting wrote:
why me wrote:But it is really up to the african american leadership who run the blacklds or the ldsgenesis group to get involved over an apology and they are not involved. So, what to do? Move on.


Why is it up to them?


Because it is quite clearly inappropriate for a bunch of white people associated with an institution that had racist policies at a time when it had an entirely white leadership to apologize to black people for those policies.

As whyme points out so tellingly (thanks for letting me see his post!), the only people who need to apologize are black people associated with the institution that had racist policies. White people certainly shouldn't try to get in on their act.

And of course the key to the whole LDS theology of sin is 'Move on'. Don't waste time feeling guilty, repenting, and making amends to those you have hurt. Move on. Those you have hurt need to move on too, and apologies from you will only hold them back.
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Chap wrote:
And of course the key to the whole LDS theology of sin is 'Move on'. Don't waste time feeling guilty, repenting, and making amends to those you have hurt. Move on. Those you have hurt need to move on too, and apologies from you will only hold them back.


Should the Church have admitted blacks to the priesthood before 1978, or would have have been detrimental to them (and persons of all other races) to have aligned themselves with a cultic and corrupt priesthood?
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Yahoo Bot wrote:
Chap wrote:
And of course the key to the whole LDS theology of sin is 'Move on'. Don't waste time feeling guilty, repenting, and making amends to those you have hurt. Move on. Those you have hurt need to move on too, and apologies from you will only hold them back.


Should the Church have admitted blacks to the priesthood before 1978, or would have have been detrimental to them (and persons of all other races) to have aligned themselves with a cultic and corrupt priesthood?


Why would holding the Priesthood be detrimental to a black man prior to 1978?
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