A formal apology...

[_Drifting]

But it is really up to the african american leadership who run the blacklds or the ldsgenesis group to get involved over an apology and they are not involved. So, what to do? Move on.

Why is it up to them?

So, do you think it was up to the Jews to end the holocaust and that everyone else should have just kept out of it?

[Guest]

And, further, institutional apologies are often and usually meaningless. There's nobody alive responsible for slavery or the decision to deny blacks the Mormon priesthood.

Institutions do better than apologize to right wrongs, they change the policy or, better yet as some might say, engage in some affirmative action.

And so the church has changed, and there have been and are black general authorities.

Much should change in religion; there is still massive segregation in many parts of the US in terms of black-only and whites-only congregations.

[_Drifting]

And, further, institutional apologies are often and usually meaningless. There's nobody alive responsible for slavery or the decision to deny blacks the Mormon priesthood.

Institutions do better than apologize to right wrongs, they change the policy or, better yet as some might say, engage in some affirmative action.

Sadly, the institution of the Church only changed its policy on the Priesthood Ban after society and government gave it some ultimatums which were going to pinch upon the finances.

[_Yoda]

And, further, institutional apologies are often and usually meaningless. There's nobody alive responsible for slavery or the decision to deny blacks the Mormon priesthood.

Institutions do better than apologize to right wrongs, they change the policy or, better yet as some might say, engage in some affirmative action.

And so the church has changed, and there have been and are black general authorities.

I think that lightning just struck twice in the same place. Yahoo Bot and I actually agree on something!

[_Yoda]

And, further, institutional apologies are often and usually meaningless. There's nobody alive responsible for slavery or the decision to deny blacks the Mormon priesthood.

Institutions do better than apologize to right wrongs, they change the policy or, better yet as some might say, engage in some affirmative action.

Sadly, the institution of the Church only changed its policy on the Priesthood Ban after society and government gave it some ultimatums which were going to pinch upon the finances.

True...but it is changed nonetheless.

And, unlike polygamy, it is a permenant change to the fundamental doctrine.

[_Yahoo Bot]

And, further, institutional apologies are often and usually meaningless. There's nobody alive responsible for slavery or the decision to deny blacks the Mormon priesthood.

Institutions do better than apologize to right wrongs, they change the policy or, better yet as some might say, engage in some affirmative action.

Sadly, the institution of the Church only changed its policy on the Priesthood Ban after society and government gave it some ultimatums which were going to pinch upon the finances.

I don't accept that argument, as there is no proof for it. But I am not one to deny that external sources cause church doctrine to change. And why should we be "sad" about it, or more to the point, why should some bitter apostate who posts anonymously out of fear be "sad" about it. Rejoice in the advancement of the Kingdom of God to all peoples.

[_Yoda]

I don't accept that argument, as there is no proof for it. But I am not one to deny that external sources cause church doctrine to change. And why should we be "sad" about it, or more to the point, why should some bitter apostate who posts anonymously out of fear be "sad" about it. Rejoice in the advancement of the Kingdom of God to all peoples.

If I had a quarter for every time Yahoo Bot used the word, anonymous, in a post, I would be richer than the last lottery winner.

[_Buffalo]

It probably didn't hurt that the two biggest white supremacists in the Quorum, Delbert L. Stapley & Mark E. Peterson, were out of town when they voted to end the ban.

[_Yahoo Bot]

If I had a quarter for every time Yahoo Bot used the word, anonymous, in a post, I would be richer than the last lottery winner.

If I had a penny for every time anonymous mods on this board slammed a TBM, either with a personal insult or an insult to his or her religion, I'd have enough to run my own board with a substantial profit.

[_Chap]

As you know, no-one is obliged to accept the terms in which a question is put to them without demur. In particular, I hope you won't insist on the 'cultic and corrupt' bit - those words aren't mine, and I am under no obligation to accept them as a descriptor of the LDS priesthood just because you use them.

But what I would say is this:

(a) As for joining religious organizations of whatever kind, I think it has to be up to each individual to decide what organizations do them good, so long as they do no harm to others. It would therefore be up to black, brown, yellow and pink people to decide for themselves whether joining the priesthood of the CoJCoLDS was a good thing to do.

(b) I'd like that choice to join the LDS priesthood be just as open to black people as to people of other colors, even if I probably would not want to join myself.

Reframing questions to one's liking is to show fear.

Nope. The person questioned is under no obligation to accept the assumptions that the questioner has chosen to attach to his question.

I am happy for our readers to judge which of us is being more rational here.