Kittens_and_Jesus wrote: So the words "they shall be gods because they have all power" doesn't mean they will have God's power? Really?
As to Moroni and the others not being gods, that's supposed to take place after the end of the world. That's what they taught me in seminary, anyways.
After the end of the world? Moroni was a spirit doing the work of god. In fact, I was taught that when the faithful die they will be doing much work for the kingdom of god. In fact, the celestial kingdom is no place of rest but a place of work. When will this work end? I have no idea.
The verse does not say: they will become gods with their own planets.
So what do you think having all power is supposed to mean? I mean, seriously... My eyes cannot roll in a motion large enough to express, so I'll have to roll my whole head.
As soon as you concern yourself with the 'good' and 'bad' of your fellows, you create an opening in your heart for maliciousness to enter. Testing, competing with, and criticizing others weaken and defeat you. - O'Sensei
Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:Last week the LDS church put up a website, called Mormonism 101 to answer questions frequently asked by reporters. One question asks if Mormons believe they will become gods. They say the answer is no. They also asked if Mormons believe they will get their own planets. Once again they answer with a no. Why is it then that on the church's own website it states that one of the blessings of exaltation is "They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23)"? Clearly they are trying to cover up the truth (once again) to appear more mainstream.
"In the Heaven where our spirits were born there are many Gods, each one of whom has his own wife or wives, raises up a numerous family of sons and daughters... each father and mother will be in a condition to multiply forever and ever.
As soon as each God has begotten many millions of male and female spirits, and his Heavenly inheritance becomes too small, to comfortably accommodate his great family, he, in connection with his sons, organizes a new world, after a similar order to the one which we now inhabit, where he sends both the male and female spirits to inhabit tabernacles of flesh and bones....
The inhabitants of each world are required to reverence, adore, and worship their own personal father who dwells in the Heaven which they formerly inhabited.” (Mormon apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, March 1853, pp. 37-39)
and he forgot about section 132 in that book of scriptures that is cleverly excluded from Mormonism 101.
that section is going to create some fun discussions once mitt gets nominated. it has a lot of juicy crap in it. that polygamy thing is in there, the becoming gods part is pretty clearly laid out, and then the tricky smackdown of emma.
"Rocks don't speak for themselves" is an unfortunate phrase to use in defense of a book produced by a rock actually 'speaking' for itself... (I have a Question, 5.15.15)
I just spoke with my daughter and showed her the newsroom site about becoming gods. She said that that is exactly how she was taught, as it states in the website. However, teachers can give their own interpretations.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
I just spoke with my daughter and showed her the newsroom site about becoming gods. She said that that is exactly how she was taught, as it states in the website. However, teachers can give their own interpretations.
So we're just going to pretend that the slew of quotes that from past "prophets, seers, and revelators" that state in very clear terms that faithful members of the church will indeed become gods are meaningless? Let me guess, they're not doctrine... If what the church actually teaches isn't doctrine, then why bother teaching it?
As soon as you concern yourself with the 'good' and 'bad' of your fellows, you create an opening in your heart for maliciousness to enter. Testing, competing with, and criticizing others weaken and defeat you. - O'Sensei
we have to also pretend it is not in the doctrine and covenants, which is doable. after all, we pretend it says gays can't be gay in the Bible so we can also pretend it doesn't say this anywhere.
and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.
"Rocks don't speak for themselves" is an unfortunate phrase to use in defense of a book produced by a rock actually 'speaking' for itself... (I have a Question, 5.15.15)
kittens wrote:So we're just going to pretend that the slew of quotes that from past "prophets, seers, and revelators" that state in very clear terms that faithful members of the church will indeed become gods are meaningless? Let me guess, they're not doctrine... If what the church actually teaches isn't doctrine, then why bother teaching it?
Oh, and don't forget that what is taught in the temple about being ordained as Gods and Goddesses, Kings and Queens, Priests and Priestesses, isn't official doctrine, either.
From Mormonism 101: "Latter-day Saints believe that God wants us to become like Him. But this teaching is often misrepresented by those who caricature the faith. The Latter-day Saint belief is no different than the biblical teaching, which states, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together” (Romans 8:16-17). Through following Christ's teachings, Latter-day Saints believe all people can become "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4)."
From LDS.org (from Gospel Principles Chapter 47:Exaltation):
"2.They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23)."
So where in Mormonism 101 does it say we will not become Gods as you claim it does?
Mayan Elephant wrote: president otterson forgot about this quote:
"In the Heaven where our spirits were born there are many Gods, each one of whom has his own wife or wives, raises up a numerous family of sons and daughters... each father and mother will be in a condition to multiply forever and ever.
As soon as each God has begotten many millions of male and female spirits, and his Heavenly inheritance becomes too small, to comfortably accommodate his great family, he, in connection with his sons, organizes a new world, after a similar order to the one which we now inhabit, where he sends both the male and female spirits to inhabit tabernacles of flesh and bones....
The inhabitants of each world are required to reverence, adore, and worship their own personal father who dwells in the Heaven which they formerly inhabited.” (Mormon apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, March 1853, pp. 37-39)
In your quotation I don't read that we all can become gods. I just read that in the heavens there are many gods. Nothing in the quotation was in the first or second person.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
From Mormonism 101: "Latter-day Saints believe that God wants us to become like Him. But this teaching is often misrepresented by those who caricature the faith. The Latter-day Saint belief is no different than the biblical teaching, which states, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together” (Romans 8:16-17). Through following Christ's teachings, Latter-day Saints believe all people can become "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4)."
From LDS.org (from Gospel Principles Chapter 47:Exaltation):
"2.They will become gods (see D&C 132:20–23)."
So where in Mormonism 101 does it say we will not become Gods as you claim it does?
The clue is in becoming partakers of the divine nature. This can be left up to interpretation.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote: In your quotation I don't read that we all can become gods. I just read that in the heavens there are many gods. Nothing in the quotation was in the first or second person.
Gospel Principles Chapter 47. If you attended Church you'd know this...
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
