Witch Burning in Progress at Meridian Magazine

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Jason Bourne wrote: Which would be the preferred course for the Church? Accommodate and perhaps lose more of its distinctiveness than it already has (due to correlation and an effort to appear more main stream)?


I think the Church can do both, if it accomodates (and embraces) those such as Joanna who self-identify as Mormons while not abandoning and denying the core doctrines that make Mormonism so distinctive.

I know it will never happen, but I like to imagine.

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Jason Bourne wrote:So Droopy I am interested in what you think the Church will look like 20 years from now if it takes your hard line view and purges the Brooks, Dehlins out of the Church.


Like MDDB.
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Aristotle Smith wrote: Seeing Internet Mormons in their real habitat, when they let it all hang out, is going to be a real eye-opener for Chapel Mormons.


I agree.

I posted a comment on Meridian this morning but so far they haven't put it out for public consumption.

I am glad to see I am not the only one standing up for Joanna.

All the Best!

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Droopy wrote: To what does she subscribe that would count as "orthodox" LDS doctrine?


I teach the orthodox religion.
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Yes I understand your position and I expected you to take very hard line.


So Jesus is taking a "hard line?" Well, I guess that's so. The straight gate and narrow way are "hardcore" doctrines, I suppose.

So again my question to you is what should the Church do with the Joanna Brooks types? Should they be ex'd? Would you ex them if you were their SP?


That's up to the Church, not me, as to when or if she ever crosses that line. People like Sonja Johnson and others (like the noble, heroic "September Six") have crossed it, and there are general guidelines, but it appears to be a case by basis regarding such action.

The wheat and the tares are going to grow together until the very end. I'm fine with that, but I'm not fine with people claiming to be "faithful" or "believing" members of the church when they clearly have left behind many of the salient conceptions that differentiate the Church and its beliefs from other systems of belief and from the Great and Spacious Building. Don't call yourself a "believing" member when you patently are not, and are attempting to graft alien doctrines and philosophies onto the tame olive tree.
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consiglieri wrote:
Droopy wrote: To what does she subscribe that would count as "orthodox" LDS doctrine?


I teach the orthodox religion.



Just as I thought.

Move along...
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consiglieri wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:So Droopy I am interested in what you think the Church will look like 20 years from now if it takes your hard line view and purges the Brooks, Dehlins out of the Church.


Like MDDB.



Hardly. Its become clear over time that the MDD board and FAIR itself are harboring more neo-orthodox Mormons of the Joanna Brooks mold than appears on the surface. People like Brooks cannot handle the gospel. They cannot handle its doctrines, standards, and ideals. They have their own views, perceptions, and perspectives, lying outside Zion, with one foot gingerly still placed within it, and they will "have their reward," whatever that may be, depending upon the light and knowledge they are willing to receive here.
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Droopy wrote:
consiglieri wrote:
I teach the orthodox religion.



Just as I thought.

Move along...


For those who haven't been to the temple before 1990, the phrase I quoted is from Lucifer (now deleted) as he instructs the Protestant minister in what to preach to Adam and Eve.

Sounds a lot like you, Droop.

All the Best!

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Droopy wrote: Its become clear over time that the MDD board and FAIR itself are harboring more neo-orthodox Mormons of the Joanna Brooks mold than appears on the surface.


I cannot understand why people call you paranoid, Droopy.
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I think the Church can do both, if it accomodates (and embraces) those such as Joanna who self-identify as Mormons while not abandoning and denying the core doctrines that make Mormonism so distinctive.

I know it will never happen, but I like to imagine.


Which is, after all, a subtle yet clear if oblique admission that Joanna Brooks has, indeed, abandoned and denied "the core doctrines that make Mormonism distinctive."

If she hadn't abandoned a fair portion of them, the question of the Church "accommodating" here would never need be raised at all, would they? To ask the question is to answer it.

Oh, but I forgot, Joanna Brooks is a scholar. She has an advanced degree. She's smart (American literature, African-American literature, Native American literature, and women’s studies. This woman is very likely a classic model of the contemporary PC academy and every salient aspect of its intellectual degradation. Yet another Saint is "overcome of the world" and throws up their hands under the mocking, pointing fingers of the Great and Spacious Building. Sad). She must be smart because she has an advanced degree, which makes her smart and makes her smarter than people without an advanced formal degree, who are dumb because they don't have an advanced degree unlike smart (and hip, enlightened, "progressive") people like Joanna Brooks.

Therefore...she must be right, she must be listened to, and all "chapel" Mormons must defer to her (because they're dumb, uneducated, and don't have formal, advanced degrees in trendy disciplines (if one could call them that) like woman's studies) as the hoi polloi before the Platonic guardians.

All bow to the arm of flesh; all bend the knee to the golden calf of the "studies" departments of our once noble universities.
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Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

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- Thomas Sowell
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