Witch Burning in Progress at Meridian Magazine

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_Droopy
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Re: Witch Burning in Progress at Meridian Magazine

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This was, interestingly, exactly Sonja Johnson's idea of God; an androgynous being having both male and female attributes and nature.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

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I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

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That’s where my heart is. As I wrote here, as a progressive Mormon, I believe it was wrong to withhold priesthood ordination and temple access on the basis of race.


Brooks doesn't even understand the basis of the doctrine. She's completely out of the loop here and in her own interpretational world grounded and settled in the steaming jungles of the modern politically correct (and morally sanctified, because of this) academy. The humanities in which she does her intellectual work, including literature and woman's studies (which isn't really an academic discipline at all but an ideological and political enterprise situated within academia who's primary purpose is to indoctrinate future political activists and intellectual gatekeepers within academe with respect to the ideological orthodoxy in question, whether it be woman's studies, African American studies, Native American studies, Latin American studies, gay and lesbian studies, post-colonial studies, American studies, peace studies, queer theory, Afrocentrism, multicultural studies etc., etc.) are among, and perhaps the most intellectually debased of all the humanities and social science departments overtaken by the academic Left over the last 30 years or so.

Most of what I've seen of her writing thus far is evidence of her deep immersing in this environment and only a peripheral connection to the gospel and Church.

The two are, after all, hardly compatible, upon serious comparison and contrast.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

- President Ezra Taft Benson


I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

- Thomas Sowell
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Droopy wrote:"God" is singular, connoting a single entity or being, therefore, if God is both male and female, this implies that God contains within himself, or itself, both genders.


Read the King Follett Discourse and get back to me.
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consiglieri wrote:
Droopy wrote:"God" is singular, connoting a single entity or being, therefore, if God is both male and female, this implies that God contains within himself, or itself, both genders.


Read the King Follett Discourse and get back to me.




I'm done with you. Sober up and then come back to the discussion.
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consiglieri wrote:Just got an e-mail back from Joanna saying it is important for those of us who care about Mormonism to not allow ourselves to be shamed or bullied away.

She's a real heretic, that one.

All the Best!

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There are those who wish to make a total coversion from a Church to a right-wing political advocacy organization. It seems only natural for them to take on those who stand in their way. Thank goodness folks like Consiglieri and Joanna Brooks do not throw up their hands and declare the Church as a lost cause. As the Rabbi Hillel would say, if not for you then who? Can you imagine statues of Ayn Rand and John Birch (not his real name - he was an anonymous coward who forsook his given name, Jubilation T. Cornpone) inside the Temple once it is converted into party headquarters and that big eagle with the lightning bolts is firmly attached to the roof?
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Droopy wrote:"God" is singular, connoting a single entity or being


So you'll agree that the Book of Mormon teaches a traditional Trinitarian concept of God.

2 Nephi 31

21 And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.

Mosiah 15

1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.

2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—

3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.


Alma 11

44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

Mormon 7

7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.


And you'll also agree that the Three Witnesses believed in a Trinitarian God.

http://www.LDS.org/scriptures/Book of Mormon/intr ... n?lang=eng

And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen
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Droopy wrote:Brooks doesn't even understand the basis of the doctrine.


Neither does the Church.

Approaching Mormon Doctrine

With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith.

Official Statement by the First Presidency
August 17, 1949

The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: "Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to."

Church Statement Regarding 'Washington Post' Article on Race and the Church

For a time in the Church there was a restriction on the priesthood for male members of African descent. It is not known precisely why, how, or when this restriction began in the Church but what is clear is that it ended decades ago. Some have attempted to explain the reason for this restriction but these attempts should be viewed as speculation and opinion, not doctrine.


Droopy wrote: The two are, after all, hardly compatible, upon serious comparison and contrast.
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I am somewhat concerned about Droopy's questioning of church established protocol and divinely mandated priesthood authority. The only persons who can decide whether Joanna Brooks is a member in good standing are Joanna and her priesthood leaders. Since Joanna has not resigned nor have her leaders dis-fellowshipped or exe'd her, she is accepted as a legitimate member with all the rights and privileges that flow from that. Apparently Droopy does not respect the priesthood chain of command and believes he knows better than Joannna's divinely appointed leaders. Since Joanna's views are public, high level priesthood authorities are no doubt aware of her. And yet she remains a member. I support the church authorities in their allowing Joannna Brooks to be a member of the church.

We have more to fear from the Droopys in the church than the Joannas. Droopy's views represent a sheltered past. The church going forward will be a "Big Tent" and does now and will continue to accept a broader range of views. Droopy lives in a pup tent.
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Droopy wrote:
That’s where my heart is. As I wrote here, as a progressive Mormon, I believe it was wrong to withhold priesthood ordination and temple access on the basis of race.

Brooks doesn't even understand the basis of the doctrine.

To whom can she go in order to learn it? Professor Bott, perhaps?
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Hey Droopy

I have read Brooks and listened to her on some podcasts. I am not sure what she means in her MST comments about God being man and woman but I can assure you elsewhere I have heard her comment about a heavenly mother and heavenly father in the traditional Mormon way. It seemed clear to me that she believed that and not what you conclude from her MST comment. But I see how you concluded that from what she said there.
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