Witch Burning in Progress at Meridian Magazine

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Re: Witch Burning in Progress at Meridian Magazine

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To whom can she go in order to learn it? Professor Bott, perhaps?



Bott doesn't understand it either. The basis, or rather doctrinal precedent, can be easily extracted by key verses in the Book of Mormon and, to a lesser extent perhaps, the Book of Abraham.
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Yong Xi wrote:I am somewhat concerned about Droopy's questioning of church established protocol and divinely mandated priesthood authority.


I've never done that (not to assume that you have the slightest substantive idea what that is).

The only persons who can decide whether Joanna Brooks is a member in good standing are Joanna and her priesthood leaders.


Pull the freakin' lever in the slot machine in your punkin' head again and watch the lemons fly. Nowhere have I intimated or implied that Joanna Brooks should be excommunicated. I've been clear as crystal about that. I've been equally clear that she is in a substantial state of apostasy relative to fundamental church doctrines and the nature of what it means to be a Latter day Saint, which is much, much more that merely being a part of its culture and accepting certain metaphysical propositions in their broadest, most expansive form.

Since Joanna has not resigned nor have her leaders dis-fellowshipped or exe'd her, she is accepted as a legitimate member with all the rights and privileges that flow from that.


Irrelevant to my arguments.

Apparently Droopy does not respect the priesthood chain of command and believes he knows better than Joannna's divinely appointed leaders. Since Joanna's views are public, high level priesthood authorities are no doubt aware of her. And yet she remains a member. I support the church authorities in their allowing Joannna Brooks to be a member of the church.


So do I, as I've already said. She's also in a substantial state of apostasy from the gospel of Jesus Christ as a system of laws, principles, doctrines, ordinances, and standards (such as regarding sexual morality, the nature and role of gender in mortality, the nature of the family, and the legitimate purpose and nature of marriage) designed to raise human beings to the position of exalted gods in the Celestial Kingdom. Mealy, sugary, watered down, low calorie Mormonism lite will not suffice.

We have more to fear from the Droopys in the church than the Joannas. Droopy's views represent a sheltered past. The church going forward will be a "Big Tent" and does now and will continue to accept a broader range of views. Droopy lives in a pup tent.


No, it most certainly will not, the reason for this being that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is, in very deed, the authorized Kingdom of God on earth and is literally the Savior's sole and unique divinely appointed and commissioned church, not man's. This being the case, if all members but one, single, lone human being on the face of this entire tortured planet were excommunicated and burned as stubble at his Second Coming, then that is as it would be and what would eventuate in that case as, so long as that one, single, lone individual was faithful to the Lord's commandments and his sacred covenants, then not all the sin, apostasy, lofty sophistries, sophisticated self absorbed academic verbiage, self flattering ideologies that worship power and golden calves masked as philosophies of "compassion," "inclusion," and "tolerance," and cries of "bigotry!" can alter the destiny and exaltation of that one, lone individual, if he so chooses to hold to the iron rod and "endure to the end."

We are to, if we choose, walk by the angels and sentinels to our exaltation in spite of earth and hell, just as Brigham Young said.

The entire planet can burn to the ground, but that one individual will be saved and exalted and find numerous company in the Celestial realms with others of his kind who withstood the sweet nectar of morally self congratulatory "progressive" philosophy and "endured" to the very, very end, where all the really matters will finally matter.
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There are those who wish to make a total coversion from a Church to a right-wing political advocacy organization. It seems only natural for them to take on those who stand in their way. Thank goodness folks like Consiglieri and Joanna Brooks do not throw up their hands and declare the Church as a lost cause. As the Rabbi Hillel would say, if not for you then who? Can you imagine statues of Ayn Rand and John Birch (not his real name - he was an anonymous coward who forsook his given name, Jubilation T. Cornpone) inside the Temple once it is converted into party headquarters and that big eagle with the lightning bolts is firmly attached to the roof?


Sigh...

If only once, just once, you could make sense or project some indication that you have any idea what your talking about, or any idea what people who disagree with you actually believe (instead of cartoon caricatures), it would be so much for the better.
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Droopy wrote:The two are, after all, hardly compatible, upon serious comparison and contrast.


And here Droopy acknowledges what critics have long been arguing: education and Mormonism are incompatible.
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This "official" doctrine non-sense reminds me a lot of the Pharisees -
Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.
I would proffer instead that one should seek God and learn sound doctrine from the Lord instead and not listen to men.
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Equality wrote:
Droopy wrote:The two are, after all, hardly compatible, upon serious comparison and contrast.


And here Droopy acknowledges what critics have long been arguing: education and Mormonism are incompatible.



Leftism has nothing whatever to do with education. Leftism is an ideology, or body of ideologies who's origins, as with conservative political philosophy, are in psychological and characterological aspects of the individual, not in level of education.

Don't make a fool of yourself here by trying to pretend that highly educated people do not lean strongly toward conservative/libertarian philosophy. Many of the most intelligent, distinguished, and brilliant minds of the 20th century, in numerous fields and subject areas dealing with the human condition, have been conservatives and libertarians or fusions of the two (such as William F. Buckley, and many others).

Don't make me list a bunch of them. Its boring and shouldn't be necessary.
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Re: Witch Burning in Progress at Meridian Magazine

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Droopy wrote:Don't make me list a bunch of them.


Go ahead. I'll open with Einstein for the liberals.
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