Interesting article for Youth about Heavenly Father

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“The Father is the one true God. This thing is certain: no one will ever ascend above Him; no one will ever replace Him. … He is Eloheim, the Father. He is God. Of Him there is only one.”


That we will have the same power and authority as God (Revelation 3:21 for example) does not conflict with the fact that God will always be our Father and God.
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KevinSim wrote:Such a rush to brand Hinckley a liar!


Now be nice, and be honest. I never said he was a liar, even though I do think he was lying or being less then honest, which we can also find in LDS teachings that this is the same as lying. Lying and being a liar are two different things. Everyone has lied at one time or another so the term liar cannot apply to everyone, but those who do so on a regular basis.

I'm sure that Hinckley was in an uncomfortable situation. Critics of the LDS Church would like the world to believe that the principal reason people are LDS is because they want to be deities over their own planets some day; they are, the critics say, drawn by the promises of power.


You may want to be more open minded. Most critics do not make this argument.

So what did Hinckley say when asked about that? Quite frankly I don't remember the exact words, but it was something like, "I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it." You said, "Hinckley was not telling the truth, and many member had to do a double take." For the record I myself did a double take, because it didn't sound right at all. It sounded completely false. But I had to ask myself (and you would do well to ask yourself), were Hinckley's words false?


Hinckely said he didn't know. I think it more then a little hard to accept he didn't know what we teach, and yes the church does teach it. This is where the problem was. I understand why he may have slipped up in order to aviod problems.

If you think that what Hinckley said was false, then please find me one lesson manual where a quorum or class instructor is directed to teach that we can become gods or deities in any single lesson manual published in the year before Mike Wallace asked his question and Gordon Hinckley gave his controversial answer.


LOLOLOLOL I had to laugh when you wanted to limit it to a year before the interview. You really think that is reasonable. Again LOL

If we really do teach that we can become deities, then it should be in some lesson manual, wouldn't you think? You have already admitted that we don't emphasize it. So where's the lie?


Jonah has already addressed it, and it has more to do with God once being a Man. Have you really been an active member and think the church has not taught we can become Gods. I can provide evidence to this, but then you did admit already that we do teach it, so I am not sure why you want information from manuals you already know probably exist.

Hinckley was not saying that us eventually becoming deities was not a part of LDS Church doctrine; he was trying to dispell the notion that it is the primary motivator of the vast majority of Latter-day Saints that keeps them on the straight and narrow, that it is so central to LDS thought that Latter-day Saints think about it all the time; in short he was trying to dispell the notion that the LDS Church is currently actively involved in teaching it and emphasizing it.


Sure I can see him wanting people outside the church not to focus on what they might be disturbed by. I doubt he thought people would think it is a prime motivator, but then it certainly is a motivator in the LDS church I know. Why shouldn't it be. It was one of the better ideas from Mormonism before I understood it was not really true.
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We need to recognize that on the Larry King Show, Gordon B. Hinckley was rather old, taking a rapid fire of questions from a pro. I really don't think that he had time to think about what he was saying. I said at the time that his age needs some consideration. When I am ninety I can only hope to have some mind left to speak about the oatmeal I had that morning.

However, critics cannot give the poor guy a break. The constantly hounding of 'he lied' mantra is unfortunate and shows desperation on part of the critics. When one reads what Gordon B. Hinckley said in his nationally published book, we see a man who is kind, good-hearted and caring.
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Sure I can see him wanting people outside the church not to focus on what they might be disturbed by. I doubt he thought people would think it is a prime motivator, but then it certainly is a motivator in the LDS church I know. Why shouldn't it be. It was one of the better ideas from Mormonism before I understood it was not really true.


To be fair to the newsroom, it may be a case of getting it wrong. Who wrote that webpage? Monson? Probably not. Some poor chap on the 5th floor of the church office building wrote it and someone on the 3rd floor put it on the webpage. I am sure that many emails have been sent about it already. I wouldn't fly off the handle yet.

However, critics are quick to criticize.
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why me wrote:We need to recognize that on the Larry King Show, Gordon B. Hinckley was rather old, taking a rapid fire of questions from a pro. I really don't think that he had time to think about what he was saying. I said at the time that his age needs some consideration. When I am ninety I can only hope to have some mind left to speak about the oatmeal I had that morning.

However, critics cannot give the poor guy a break. The constantly hounding of 'he lied' mantra is unfortunate and shows desperation on part of the critics. When one reads what Gordon B. Hinckley said in his nationally published book, we see a man who is kind, good-hearted and caring.


At least we can be fair to both sides. I have only seen you defend LDS an attack those who may disagree with some aspects of it. Try being less biased. I think Hinckely was not prepared for the question and said things that were not entirely honest. I still think he was a good man, and honest in most things. Maybe you might try opening your mind.
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why me wrote:To be fair to the newsroom, it may be a case of getting it wrong. Who wrote that webpage? Monson? Probably not. Some poor chap on the 5th floor of the church office building wrote it and someone on the 3rd floor put it on the webpage. I am sure that many emails have been sent about it already. I wouldn't fly off the handle yet.

However, critics are quick to criticize.


Not all critics are, but you certainly have show this tendency. This post however, I have no idea what you are talking about.
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lulu wrote:
why me wrote:What is hidden?

"Heavenly Parents"
hmmm, plural, gender neutral, hmmm . . .
could it be . . . . . Heavenly Mother?

1. Go to http://www.LDS.org/scriptures/?lang=eng (this is Scriptures)
2. To Search the Scriptures type "heavenly mother" with quotation marks
3. Search!
4. You get:
Did you mean Heavenly Father?

Sorry, your search returned no results.

Do You Have Feedback About This Page?


If You follow the link Heavenly Father, You get:
About 63 results found for 'Heavenly Father'.


That is. Do You Have any Feedback?
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Themis wrote:
At least we can be fair to both sides. I have only seen you defend LDS an attack those who may disagree with some aspects of it. Try being less biased. I think Hinckely was not prepared for the question and said things that were not entirely honest. I still think he was a good man, and honest in most things. Maybe you might try opening your mind.


I don't think that it has to do with honesty. But it may have to do with confusion. I don't believe that he lied. As I said, if I live to be ninety, I can only hope for the best.
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Themis wrote:
Not all critics are, but you certainly have show this tendency. This post however, I have no idea what you are talking about.


I am referring to the site that said no to being gods over planets. I think that this has been a part of certain Mormon belief by many members. The newsroom could have done better in the answer.
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why me wrote:
Themis wrote:
Not all critics are, but you certainly have show this tendency. This post however, I have no idea what you are talking about.


I am referring to the site that said no to being gods over planets. I think that this has been a part of certain Mormon belief by many members. The newsroom could have done better in the answer.


That's right because on another thread you were adamant that the newsroom was correct in stating that:
1. LDS don't believe they can becomes Gods
2. LDS don't believe they can rule planets

You maintained this position up until you were shown quotes from LDS teaching manuals that explicitly showed you were wrong and the newsroom was lying.

Then you ran away...
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