From My Informant: A Coup for the Old Guard?

[_Yoda]

This stuff absolutely counts as "work."

The resume was offered to buttress his expertise as an expert witness in court where he was called as as an expert on religious texts. Generally, experts must list everything under the sun. So whatever he did that was work or fun he listed.

I don't think Dr. Peterson teaches anymore at BYU.

Actually, he does.

[_Kishkumen]

The resume was offered to buttress his expertise as an expert witness in court where he was called as as an expert on religious texts. Generally, experts must list everything under the sun. So whatever he did that was work or fun he listed.

I don't think Dr. Peterson teaches anymore at BYU.

Are you drunk?

[_moksha]

You would think BYU administrators would have a problem with a rogue operation run by an independently funded virtual dictator.

I doubt Dr. Peterson would be any kind of dictator. He seems more enlightened than what I imagine any of the current BYU administrators to be like. Still, whenever money is involved it is well to assume their will be a struggle as to who controls it.

In the book the Thorn Birds, bringing a large fortune to the Church resulted in an immediate status upgrade for the priest. Hope to hear of Dr. Peterson in the 8th Quorum of the Seventy.

Was Dr. Peterson for or against the Ziggurat?

[_harmony]

Actually, I think you'll find it counts as "published works". Academic types count everything from their thesis forward.

But then, you know that.

Are you speaking from experience?

Whoosh.

[_Doctor Scratch]

You would think BYU administrators would have a problem with a rogue operation run by an independently funded virtual dictator.

I doubt Dr. Peterson would be any kind of dictator. He seems more enlightened than what I imagine any of the current BYU administrators to be like. Still, whenever money is involved it is well to assume their will be a struggle as to who controls it.

In the book the Thorn Birds, bringing a large fortune to the Church resulted in an immediate status upgrade for the priest. Hope to hear of Dr. Peterson in the 8th Quorum of the Seventy.

Was Dr. Peterson for or against the Ziggurat?

If I had to guess, I would say that he was in favor of the Ziggurat.

[_Kishkumen]

Are you speaking from experience?

Whoosh.

Really? And here I thought that was a fairly simple question. ;-)

[_harmony]

Really? And here I thought that was a fairly simple question. ;-)

I still have no idea what you're asking. Experience with what? With Scratch? With academia? With Dan?

[_lulu]

Notice that the bit about "defend[ing] the Restoration"

Interesting. I wonder who, if anyone, is tasked with defending the Restoration now?

[_Doctor Scratch]

Notice that the bit about "defend[ing] the Restoration"

Interesting. I wonder who, if anyone, is tasked with defending the Restoration now?

I'm not sure that FARMS or the M.I. was ever "officially" tasked with defending the Church. My guess is that Welch & Co. took it upon themselves to launch attacks on Church critics, and that, eventually, their work caught the attention of the Brethren, who perceived some kind of tactical value in what the Mopologists were doing.

I would think that FAIR is still somewhat carrying on the old, vitriolic mission that was traditionally the bread and butter of FARMS (and it's still somewhat shocking to think that FARMS was so unceremoniously dissolved). Perhaps we could say the same of SHIELDS, though I think that SHIELDS is basically defunct.

All that said, there have been calls from the GAs for the common members to get out there and defend the Church. Once again, there is tactical value in doing things this way. By charging this task to every last member, the Church can easily distance itself from any individual acts of ridiculousness or malice. Back when FARMS was in full swing, it was easy to observe something like Midgley's verbal assault on Sandra Tanner, and to associate this behavior with SHIELDS and FARMS, since Lou "Woody" Midgley boasted about this on SHIELDS, shared details of it via Skinny-L, and since there was, at the time, a kind of incestuous interplay between SHIELDS and FARMS. But, without any clear, subcultural organization, it is much harder to attritube individual acts of crappiness to these sub-groups. Frankly, if this is hte direction that the Church wants to go, it will need to eliminate FAIR, too. The FAIR Wiki is rather boldly attempting to totally reshape LDS doctrine, and I would think that the Brethren will utlimately need to put the brakes on that.

[_Yahoo Bot]

I'm not sure that FARMS or the M.I. was ever "officially" tasked with defending the Church. My guess is that Welch & Co. took it upon themselves to launch attacks on Church critics, and that, eventually, their work caught the attention of the Brethren, who perceived some kind of tactical value in what the Mopologists were doing.

I would think that FAIR is still somewhat carrying on the old, vitriolic mission that was traditionally the bread and butter of FARMS (and it's still somewhat shocking to think that FARMS was so unceremoniously dissolved). Perhaps we could say the same of SHIELDS, though I think that SHIELDS is basically defunct.

All that said, there have been calls from the GAs for the common members to get out there and defend the Church. Once again, there is tactical value in doing things this way. By charging this task to every last member, the Church can easily distance itself from any individual acts of ridiculousness or malice. Back when FARMS was in full swing, it was easy to observe something like Midgley's verbal assault on Sandra Tanner, and to associate this behavior with SHIELDS and FARMS, since Lou "Woody" Midgley boasted about this on SHIELDS, shared details of it via Skinny-L, and since there was, at the time, a kind of incestuous interplay between SHIELDS and FARMS. But, without any clear, subcultural organization, it is much harder to attritube individual acts of crappiness to these sub-groups. Frankly, if this is hte direction that the Church wants to go, it will need to eliminate FAIR, too. The FAIR Wiki is rather boldly attempting to totally reshape LDS doctrine, and I would think that the Brethren will utlimately need to put the brakes on that.

That is such a silly overstatement or fetid pile of silly overstatements.

I don't agree with some that FAIR puts out but to say that is is "boldly attempting to reshape LDS doctrine" is just nutso. I see FAIR as a group of dedicated individuals who would likely pass for nerds college, some are well-read and others not, who have their particular opinions. But, I can see what they have done with the LGT theory, which I vehemently oppose, and they have done very well to state sources for the contrary view which I hold.

As to Midgley's encounter with Sandra Tanner, you make a huge deal out of such a small matter. I've spent time in the Tanners' store and see the people who come and go, and somehow I think Lou's encounter was pretty standard fare.