I think you are wrong here, and I think the world is better at this then in the past.
There is always room for improvement.
Sure, but I see the world getting better, not worse. Typical Christian views tend to be pessimistic, but then that is to be expected of a religion that prophesies of wickedness getting worse before Jesus comes and burns it all up.
Man has free will. Therefore, prophecy must always have two forks, either stated or implied. "If you don't live according to My will, this is what will happen." Things are getting better because more people are living in God's will. But not enough better, given all that we have at our disposal to make things better. My, it is incredibly warm for this time of year here. Average high is 52 deg, now it is 75.
Huckelberry said: I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
KevinSim wrote:I'm not entirely familiar with what Joseph Smith claimed about Facsimile Number 3. The argument seems to be that Smith said it represented some things and modern Egyptologists now say it represents entirely different things. Does that mean Smith was wrong, or is it possible the facsimile might have more than one meaning? It wouldn't be the first time theologians postulated a statement in scripture had more than one meaning.
OMG. You really are out in left field and would just as well suppose the French language has different meanings or that people could read German literature and come up with completely different stories. Your head is buried in the sand and you just don't get it. You've placed Facsimile No. 3 on the back burner of faith in order to save your prophet, Joe Smith. You'll note that only wild LDS apologists comment about Facsimile No. 3 but church officials say absolutely nothing! Go figure.
Go and be a Mormon all you like. Go ahead and follow Joseph Smith until the cows jump over the moon. You deserve him and he deserves you. I won't help the likes of you anymore. You're just not one to think and I'm not wasting my time with you. You make a great Mormon! Stick with it. And take the lying Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. They are an insult to Egyptology which has been proven by art, science, and true scholarship. That's an established fact which I see no need to defend with you. You're a lost cause.
I give them a handshake, index finger pressed into their wrist.
"WHAT is THAT?", I ask them as I look down at the clasp
I widen my eyes as I raise my head up to look into his eyes, "HAS IT A NAME???"
I tighten my grip as I feel the unwitting young salesman begin to pull away and ask, nearly yelling and face as contorted as possible, "W I L L YOU G I V E IT TO ME?!?!?!"
I am careful not to let go too quickly as I'd hate to see them fall back on their ass.
As they leave my front porch I yell, "Will you give it to me THROUGH THE VEIL???? I HAVE ONE IN MY HOUSE!!"
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I'll answer your question after you stop beating your wife.
There, finished. You may proceed.
But seriously, I did not insinuate that I beat my wife anywhere, did I? I'm genuinely concerned because if your statement was a joke it was over my head and if it's a real accusation I'd to know where you got the idea (I can't ever recall even making a stupid joke on the matter).
But seriously, I did not insinuate that I beat my wife anywhere, did I? I'm genuinely concerned because if your statement was a joke it was over my head and if it's a real accusation I'd to know where you got the idea (I can't ever recall even making a stupid joke on the matter).
I think what he was saying was that most people who join the church tend to come from from the less educated. This certainly has been my expereince, and even a topic of conversation on my mission. We used to compare it to the story in the Book of Mormon where only the poor zoramites where joining the church because they were more humble. If you want to believe this, go right ahead.
Themis wrote:I think what he was saying was that most people who join the church tend to come from from the less educated. This certainly has been my expereince, and even a topic of conversation on my mission. We used to compare it to the story in the Book of Mormon where only the poor zoramites where joining the church because they were more humble. If you want to believe this, go right ahead.
Now you've got me even more confused. I apologize, for I think I mistakenly asked a serious question.
The reply was that I beat my wife. Are you explaining what Themis was saying in the 'beat your wife' reply, or in another reply? The way I'm understanding is that you're referring to poor people beating their wives? Please tell me I'm just not getting the joke.
Themis wrote:I think what he was saying was that most people who join the church tend to come from from the less educated. This certainly has been my expereince, and even a topic of conversation on my mission. We used to compare it to the story in the Book of Mormon where only the poor zoramites where joining the church because they were more humble. If you want to believe this, go right ahead.
Now you've got me even more confused. I apologize, for I think I mistakenly asked a serious question.
The reply was that I beat my wife. Are you explaining what Themis was saying in the 'beat your wife' reply, or in another reply? The way I'm understanding is that you're referring to poor people beating their wives? Please tell me I'm just not getting the joke.
I didn't make any beat your wife reply. I was referring to your initial post to Fence sitter, and explaining what I thought he meant regarding the less educated and why they join the church in higher numbers.
Themis wrote:I didn't make any beat your wife reply. I was referring to your initial post to Fence sitter, and explaining what I thought he meant regarding the less educated and why they join the church in higher numbers.
Ok, thanks for clarifying. I was mostly responding more to thews' comment and the attitude I often find others, and myself, expressing about younger individuals. I'm certain lots of older people comment on my learning process and say I don't understand something.
By thews' comment I can make, for example, the logical extension that he might even think that 21 years old is not a tolerable threshold for choosing to be baptized because they still don't 'understand' the gospel, as if it is an all or nothing little package that one simply gets in a moment. Not to imply he thinks this. But who knows. For some reason he thinks I beat my wife?
'Mormon missionaries are not sent out to 'teach' the gospel, that would imply they even understand it at this age which they don't. '
Polygamy-Porter wrote:I give them a handshake, index finger pressed into their wrist.
"WHAT is THAT?", I ask them as I look down at the clasp
I widen my eyes as I raise my head up to look into his eyes, "HAS IT A NAME???"
I tighten my grip as I feel the unwitting young salesman begin to pull away and ask, nearly yelling and face as contorted as possible, "W I L L YOU G I V E IT TO ME?!?!?!"
I am careful not to let go too quickly as I'd hate to see them fall back on their ass.
As they leave my front porch I yell, "Will you give it to me THROUGH THE VEIL???? I HAVE ONE IN MY HOUSE!!"
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
You really are out in left field and would just as well suppose the French language has different meanings or that people could read German literature and come up with completely different stories. Your head is buried in the sand and you just don't get it. You've placed Facsimile No. 3 on the back burner of faith in order to save your prophet, Joe Smith. You'll note that only wild LDS apologists comment about Facsimile No. 3 but church officials say absolutely nothing! Go figure. 
