Utah suffers under Poor Decission of its Governor (link)

[_Hoops]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/17/10728322-utah-governor-vetoes-bill-curbing-sex-education-in-public-schools

Utah Gov. Gary Herbert on Friday vetoed a controversial bill banning public schools from teaching contraception as a way of preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

The bill, which also sought to bar instruction on homosexuality or other aspects of human sexuality other than the teaching of abstinence, would have been the first of its kind in the nation if it had become law.

Gayle Ruzicka, president of Utah Eagle Forum, a conservative group that describes itself as "leading the pro-family movement", told the Salt Lake Tribune that it was a "sad day for the children of Utah." "It never entered our minds that the governor, who told us he was conservative, would veto such an appropriate piece of legislation," she said. "By vetoing this bill, he just sent the message that Utah's stamp of approval [is] on teaching children how to have sex, teaching contraception and saying this is the safest way to have sex."

Oh my, think of the Children

I would appear, then, that the people of Utah did, indeed, have their way through the legislative process coursing its way.

All the handwringing and presumptous condescension of an earlier thread to the contrary.

[_Chap]

I would appear, then, that the people of Utah did, indeed, have their way through the legislative process coursing its way.

All the handwringing and presumptous condescension of an earlier thread to the contrary.

The Governor vetoed the bill, thereby frustrating the legislators who passed the said bill.

Therefore anybody who criticized the judgment and common sense of the legislators who passed the said bill was wrong to do so.

(Somehow there seems to me to be something defective in Hoops' argument here. I suppose that is because I don't read the Bible enough.)

[_Hoops]

Folks criticized the passing of the bill, citing numerous concerns. The bill has not passed and Utah is saved once again and is restored to its former glory. The governor, whose constituency is the whole state, vetoed the bill. Those criticizing the bill got what they wanted via the political process. What more do you want? No more silly bills propsed? Ever? Good luck with that.

[_Chap]

Folks criticized the passing of the bill, citing numerous concerns. The bill has not passed and Utah is saved once again and is restored to its former glory. The governor, whose constituency is the whole state, vetoed the bill. Those criticizing the bill got what they wanted via the political process. What more do you want? No more silly bills propsed? Ever? Good luck with that.

The point of your post still eludes me. You are apparently complaining about the thread that began here:

viewtopic.php?p=564814#p564814

But the statements made there are completely accurate. The ridiculous bill under discussion was indeed passed by the Utah legislature.

The Governor is not part of the legislature of Utah, just as the President is not part of the legislature of the US. See the Utah Constitution:

http://le.utah.gov/UtahCode/chapter.jsp ... nstitution

The Governor had to step in after the legislative process failed to protect the people of Utah from the stupid attempts of Utah legislators to write their religious prejudices into law. You apparently don't think people were right to complain about that stupidity, which, thank goodness, moved the Governor to step in.

I can't see why, but then understanding your train of thought has never been one of my strong points.

[_Hoops]

The point of your post still eludes me. You are apparently complaining about the thread that began here:

I'm sure.

But the statements made there are completely accurate. The ridiculous bill under discussion was indeed passed by the Utah legislature.

Yes.

The Governor is not part of the legislature of Utah, just as the President is not part of the legislature of the US. See the Utah Constitution:

Really? Oh, ok, now I get it.

The Governor had to step in

That IS the legislative PROCESS. Bills can not be enacted into law without the governor's signature.

after the legislative process failed to protect the people of Utah from the stupid attempts of Utah legislators to write their religious prejudices into law.

But the governor, a nasty, right wing, bigoted, homophobic, hates the poor, minorities, women, children, dogs, cats, clean water, clean air, hamsters, and everything else American and True Blue... whew... did.

You apparently don't think people were right to complain about that stupidity, which, thank goodness, moved the Governor to step in.

I've never written that.

I can't see why, but then understanding your train of thought has never been one of my strong points.

True.

[_Chap]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/17/10728322-utah-governor-vetoes-bill-curbing-sex-education-in-public-schools

Utah Gov. Gary Herbert on Friday vetoed a controversial bill banning public schools from teaching contraception as a way of preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

The bill, which also sought to bar instruction on homosexuality or other aspects of human sexuality other than the teaching of abstinence, would have been the first of its kind in the nation if it had become law.

Gayle Ruzicka, president of Utah Eagle Forum, a conservative group that describes itself as "leading the pro-family movement", told the Salt Lake Tribune that it was a "sad day for the children of Utah." "It never entered our minds that the governor, who told us he was conservative, would veto such an appropriate piece of legislation," she said. "By vetoing this bill, he just sent the message that Utah's stamp of approval [is] on teaching children how to have sex, teaching contraception and saying this is the safest way to have sex."

Oh my, think of the Children

I would appear, then, that the people of Utah did, indeed, have their way through the legislative process coursing its way.

All the handwringing and presumptous condescension of an earlier thread to the contrary.

I'd still love to understand what the complaint in bold underlining is complaining about.

Your point seems to be that the Utah constitution provided a backstop means of halting an obviously crazy initiative by legislators, and that in this case the backstop operated properly, since the governor vetoed the bill. But no-one on the thread that you characterize as "handwringing and presumptous [sic] condescension" said anything against the Utah constitution.

Instead, post after post pointed out the obvious stupidity of the religiously-motivated legislators who drafted and passed this bill. Those posts you characterize as "handwringing and presumptous condescension". Why? Wasn't their criticism of the bill well directed?

The Governor seems to have thought it was. He killed the bill. And your problem is what, precisely?

[Please try to answer in a series of connected sentences.]

[_Buffalo]

Oh noes! Education! Children lurnin stuff!

[_harmony]

The Governor seems to have thought it was. He killed the bill. And your problem is what, precisely?

[Please try to answer in a series of connected sentences.]

So... when's he up for reelection? Because that's not sounding too sure right now.

[_Chap]

The Governor seems to have thought it was. He killed the bill. And your problem is what, precisely?

[Please try to answer in a series of connected sentences.]

So... when's he up for reelection? Because that's not sounding too sure right now.

November 6, 2012. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_guber ... tion,_2012

Are you sure that a majority of Utah parents wanted that bill? I don't say they did or didn't - I'd just like to hear the evidence, if there is any.

[_moksha]

Are you sure that a majority of Utah parents wanted that bill? I don't say they did or didn't - I'd just like to hear the evidence, if there is any.

Utah parents receive none of the lobbyist perks and pay, so why should they support something ultimately to the detriment of their children?