Equality wrote:Is there ANY yes-no question that a Mormon apologist can answer candidly without equivocating, dissembling, spinning, or obfuscating?
Well, sometimes they just don't answer:
bcspace: the ban was because of disobedience
LDS church: “It is not known precisely why . . . this restriction [on the ordination of African-American men] began . . .” it being Official Doctrine and all
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
lulu wrote:bcspace: the ban was because of disobedience
LDS church: “It is not known precisely why . . . this restriction [on the ordination of African-American men] began . . .” it being Official Doctrine and all
No. Those who are paid aren't really the ministry. They aren't typically directly involved face to face with shepherding the flock which is too big for so few to handle.
The wiki definition is: "In Christian churches, a minister is someone who is authorized by a church or religious organization to perform functions such as teaching of beliefs; leading services such as weddings, baptisms or funerals; or otherwise providing spiritual guidance to the community. The term is taken from Latin minister “servant, attendant”, which itself was derived from minus “less.”
Notice the differentiation between those who perform the functions day in and day out from the actual leadership. Obviously the prophets and apostles do some of those things, but often so do the leadership of other churches who authorize ministers. Notice also the derivation of the word implying a lesser functionary.
Again from the wiki:
Etymologically, a minister is a person of ‘lower’ status, a ‘servant’. The word goes back via Old French ministre to Latin minister ‘servant, attendant’, which was derived from minus ‘less’."
So there you have it. The LDS Church has no paid ministry.
Are you saying that a minister isn't a leader?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
bcspace wrote:Notice the differentiation between those who perform the functions day in and day out from the actual leadership. Obviously the prophets and apostles do some of those things, but often so do the leadership of other churches who authorize ministers. Notice also the derivation of the word implying a lesser functionary.
Again from the wiki:
Etymologically, a minister is a person of ‘lower’ status, a ‘servant’. The word goes back via Old French ministre to Latin minister ‘servant, attendant’, which was derived from minus ‘less’."
So there you have it. The LDS Church has no paid ministry.
Are you saying that a minister isn't a leader?
Nah. I think he's saying a Mormon Church leader isn't a servant. Of God or anybody else.
lulu wrote:bcspace: the ban was because of disobedience
LDS church: “It is not known precisely why . . . this restriction [on the ordination of African-American men] began . . .” it being Official Doctrine and all
Perhaps you should make this your signature line.
I'd have to get bcspase's permission.
He'd say "I give my permssion" and "I don't give my permission."
That's the sort of input that would crash the board's server.
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
bcspace wrote:Notice the differentiation between those who perform the functions day in and day out from the actual leadership. Obviously the prophets and apostles do some of those things, but often so do the leadership of other churches who authorize ministers. Notice also the derivation of the word implying a lesser functionary.
Again from the wiki:
Etymologically, a minister is a person of ‘lower’ status, a ‘servant’. The word goes back via Old French ministre to Latin minister ‘servant, attendant’, which was derived from minus ‘less’."
So there you have it. The LDS Church has no paid ministry.
Jersey Girl wrote:Are you saying that a minister isn't a leader?
Morley wrote:Nah. I think he's saying a Mormon Church leader isn't a servant. Of God or anybody else.
Me make fire.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Deseret Book is owned by Deseret Management Corporation which is owned by the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, that being the Official Standard
"Today, as President Monson ministers throughout the world . . ."
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"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
