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[_ldsfaqs]

And Jason....

Not everything taught in manuals or otherwise is "doctrine".
Manuals also contain quotes from people, math, philosophy, etc. etc.

Are you going to claim them "doctrine" also?
Again, you the anti-mormon not actually knowing and understanding Mormonism doesn't make it Mormonism lying, misrepresenting itself, etc.

[_ldsfaqs]

Manuals teach philosphy, math, etc. etc..... That doesn't make them doctrine.

Talk to your fellow apologist BC Space. He says if the church publishes it, it is official doctrine and he has a source to back it up.

SEE BC SPACE! I have been telling you all along that most apologists will not accept manuals as official doctrine. You you please correct your fellow apologist here?

I know what BCspace believes.... And you misrepresent him.

[_Themis]

blah blah blah.... Mormons lie.....

Why don't you list your so-called "lies" and misrepresentations, and I will show you that YOU are the liar.

No you won't. You have on many occasion shown you will only assert things you should know are not true. You either have to be stupid or lying to say some of the things you do.

[_Jason Bourne]

Manuals teach philosphy, math, etc. etc..... That doesn't make them doctrine.

Talk to your fellow apologist BC Space. He says if the church publishes it, it is official doctrine and he has a source to back it up.

SEE BC SPACE! I have been telling you all along that most apologists will not accept manuals as official doctrine. You you please correct your fellow apologist here?

I know what BCspace believes.... And you misrepresent him.

Do I now? Ask him mis-FAQs. Just ask him.

[_Buffalo]

http://www.LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?l ... 82620aRCRD

The Celestial Kingdom

This is the place where our Father in Heaven and Jesus live. It is a place where people will be happy, and it will be more beautiful than we can imagine. The people who will live in this kingdom will love our Father in Heaven and Jesus and will choose to obey Them. They must have repented of all their sins and must have accepted Jesus as their Savior. They must have been baptized and received the gift of the Holy Ghost. They must have a testimony from the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Savior.

To live in the highest part of the celestial kingdom is called exaltation* or eternal life. To be able to live in this part of the celestial kingdom, people must have been married in the temple and must have kept the sacred promises they made in the temple. They will receive everything our Father in Heaven has and will become like Him. They will even be able to have spirit children and make new worlds for them to live on, and do all the things our Father in Heaven has done. People who are not married in the temple may live in other parts of the celestial kingdom, but they will not be exalted.

There it is. Official doctrine. Mormons teach and believe that they will get their own planets. This was published in:

Gospel Fundamentals

It's a fundamental principle of the gospel that faith Mormons get their own planet. The liar ldsfaqs, he who worships Satan with every exhaled breath, is misrepresenting the church.



Publication Notes


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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Salt Lake City, Utah

© 1992, 2002 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc.
All rights reserved
Printed in the United States of America

English approval: 9/01

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[_ldsfaqs]

Manuals "contain" Doctrine, and go through correlation the best of their ability to include doctrine AND teachings which are relevant to the doctrines taught.

Manuals have never ONLY been every word "doctrine".
You misrepresent Mormonism and BCspace.

Not only that, even the Scriptures themselves are not doctrine.
They contain doctrine, and also are not infallible.

Mormonism has never believed in infallible and doctrine only documents, and neither does BCspace.

[_Themis]

ldsfaqs and bcspace are right. It is NOT a "true" doctrine of the Church. However, they are mistaken in stating it wasn't taught like it was doctrine of the Church in the past.

The question is dishonest. The ask the question about whether the church believes we can become Gods, but they never give answer. Then they ask this question so the can give the impression that they don't believe we can become Gods, even though that question only asks about getting our own planet. It is still current doctrine that we can become Gods.

There are plenty of former prophets of the Church that have speculated along the lines and said as much that man can be God and rule their own worlds. Those prophets that taught this were WRONG as are the many members that have taught it and believed it.

The question really centers on the word OWN. This is where the dishonesty is.

It is a simple fact that Man is not God and can never be God. And to aspire to as much is blasphemy and false doctrine. I would liken such Mormons to being more like Lucifer and his aspirations to be God in the war in heaven. They are seeking things they should not and committing a great sin.

The church teaches differently, so it is only the gospel according to tobin.

[_just me]

The definition of the word Doctrine is:


wait for it



wait for it...


SOMETHING THAT IS TAUGHT!

[_Themis]

Manuals "contain" Doctrine, and go through correlation the best of their ability to include doctrine AND teachings which are relevant to the doctrines taught.

Manuals have never ONLY been every word "doctrine".
You misrepresent Mormonism and BCspace.

Not only that, even the Scriptures themselves are not doctrine.
They contain doctrine, and also are not infallible.

Mormonism has never believed in infallible and doctrine only documents, and neither does BCspace.

You really should ask bcspace about what he believes regarding church publications and doctrine before you open your mouth and embarrass yourself, but then you do it all the time.

[_ldsfaqs]

Buffalo....

Mormons already know there are teachings and ideas in LDS manuals which are not directly or specifically doctrine.

You say nothing we haven't already addressed. It is YOU who are the liar.