The Light of Christ
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The Light of Christ
First of all, let me state that the reasons that I am writing this are twofold. The first is to show the beauty of non-man made, revealed religion, and the second is to try and dispel the myths associated with the athansian creed. The omnipresent entity in the universe is not any of the Godhead, but the light of Christ which is imminently connected to the Godhead. The vast "seas" of intelligences in the matter throughout the universe make up what is termed the light of Christ. As D&C 88 states, it is in all things, and it is, in fact, the power of God itself. Satan coveted this power, which was God's honor (see D&C 29) given by all these intelligences which sustain and support Him, not by force, but by their free will. This is how miracles are performed by natural law. These intelligences in the matter will obey God and move mountains at His command.This is the power Satan coveted. Furthermore, all those who "have been cleansed from sin every whit," as the Book of Mormon states, and have the priesthood authority from God, can also be delegated this power. THe Book of Mormon also states truly that if God were not just then He would cease to be God. Why? Because all these intelligences which make up the light of Christ would no longer support an unjust God, and His power would dissolve. Of course, I am confident that will never happen! Now I would like to ask a question. What man made religion could come up with such glorious truths?!?
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gdemetz wrote: Now I would like to ask a question. What man made religion could come up with such glorious truths?!?
Mormonism
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gdemetz wrote:First of all, let me state that the reasons that I am writing this are twofold. The first is to show the beauty of non-man made, revealed religion.....
Which religion is that?
As a Mormon you believe that all non Mormon religions are not true, hence man made.
You then believe the following:
Joseph Smith wrote: I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth, for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man.
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another.
So Mormonism is man made. Albeit in that belief, an exalted man.
Ergo:
All religion is man made.
You are wrong in your basic premise, and fail to show the beauty of a non man made religion.
Looking beyond this, in facing Mormon doctrine all that exists is a wasteland of confusion and contradiction. No beauty of a "revealed" religion...... God could not be that incompetent.
Example:
(Paraphrasing) The blacks will never hold the priesthood till after all worthy non blacks receive it (after the millennium) as they were less valiant in the pre-existence.
As compared to the recent President Newsroom release of "we don't know nuttin".
Where is the beauty in the glaring contradiction? There are dozens of more glaring contradictions of a similar magnitude.
Again, surely god is not that incompetent.
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gdemetz wrote:What man made religion could come up with such glorious truths?!?
What is a God-made religion? What are you implying about mankind? They are too stupid to dream up wonderful, amazing, and dreadful ideas?
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Re: The Light of Christ
gdemetz wrote:First of all, let me state that the reasons that I am writing this are twofold. The first is to show the beauty of non-man made, revealed religion, and the second is to try and dispel the myths associated with the athansian creed. The omnipresent entity in the universe is not any of the Godhead, but the light of Christ which is imminently connected to the Godhead. The vast "seas" of intelligences in the matter throughout the universe make up what is termed the light of Christ. As D&C 88 states, it is in all things, and it is, in fact, the power of God itself. Satan coveted this power, which was God's honor (see D&C 29) given by all these intelligences which sustain and support Him, not by force, but by their free will. This is how miracles are performed by natural law. These intelligences in the matter will obey God and move mountains at His command.This is the power Satan coveted. Furthermore, all those who "have been cleansed from sin every whit," as the Book of Mormon states, and have the priesthood authority from God, can also be delegated this power. THe Book of Mormon also states truly that if God were not just then He would cease to be God. Why? Because all these intelligences which make up the light of Christ would no longer support an unjust God, and His power would dissolve. Of course, I am confident that will never happen! Now I would like to ask a question. What man made religion could come up with such glorious truths?!?
Joseph Smith taught his followers to ignore the light of Christ, which told them that polygamy was wrong.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Gdemetz, can you give an example of a Religion that God made that wasn't solely reliant on a single man's claim and interpretation of what God supposedly said?
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gdemetz wrote:Now I would like to ask a question. What man made religion could come up with such glorious truths?!?
Do you have any evidence that your claims are true, or is this just more assertions?
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I have never heard in all my Mormon life that the Light of Christ is made up of intelligences that carry out God's wishes and cause the miracles to happen.
I do not agree with your definition of the Light of Christ at all.
I do think that the Light of Christ concept is one of the better ones in Mormonism. However, in my studies of other religions and philosophies I have come across similar concepts. It is not unique to Mormonism.
It is probably one of my favorite concepts, still.
I do not agree with your definition of the Light of Christ at all.
I do think that the Light of Christ concept is one of the better ones in Mormonism. However, in my studies of other religions and philosophies I have come across similar concepts. It is not unique to Mormonism.
It is probably one of my favorite concepts, still.
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Yes, drifting, it is "Mormonism," and it does not just rely on this claims of one man. For example, the witnesses to the Book of Mormon, twelve in all, including Joseph Smith.
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Gd,
What separates your revealed religion from the dozens of other revealed religions?
What separates your revealed religion from the dozens of other revealed religions?
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin