The Light of Christ

[_gdemetz]

Nightlion, the scriptures do teach that these are "independent" in their respective spheres, and, of course, the Book of Mormon teaches that if God were not just then he would cease to be God. I recommend highly the article concerning the atonement witten by Dr. Skowsen which goes into great detain concerning this topic.

[_Tobin]

Tobin, We can quibble about definitions but, how does seeing god and subsequently testifying about it not make you a defacto apostle?

If you mean an apostle "a passionate adherent; a strong supporter" of God, sign me up. If you want me to go around speaking like an apostle and saying "God wants me to tell you such and such", sorry - I'm not in that league. I certainly am not in a positon to tell you what to believe about God, just that you should seek God and speak with the source. I know that is possible since it happened to me.

Now, as far as other things, like the Mormon church. I think it is a man-made organization run by men. If God has a hand in things, men need to seek God for that to happen. Otherwise, things default to stupidity and incorrect actions. And I think we have plenty of evidence of that with polygamy, blacks and the priesthood, the current relationship with gays, and the denial of women their role in the priesthood. All of these things (and others) are brought on by the biases of men in charge doing and saying things they should not.

[_Nightlion]

Nightlion, the scriptures do teach that these are "independent" in their respective spheres, and, of course, the Book of Mormon teaches that if God were not just then he would cease to be God. I recommend highly the article concerning the atonement witten by Dr. Skowsen which goes into great detain concerning this topic.

I am offended but do you mean Cleon Skousen? gdemetz (a possibly blasphemous user name) if you know something about it just say so. I am not interested in searching out what I already know.

[_Nightlion]

Incorrect. I've seen God. That does not make me an apostle. It does make me a theist and I can state that in fact I know there is a God. My opinions on other matters do not necessarily carry the same degree of knowledge.

first gdemetz puts himself up an interesting foil and now this? I might begin to get interested and much exercised. I have never seen God face to face. He has spoken to me and I have heard his own words. And since I was begotten of fire and of the Holy Ghost when eighteen God has made manifest to me his knowledge from time to time as I have been taught of God forty years. I am an apostle by right of being duly sent of God by the commanding word of his power, and after faithfully fulfilling my mission was given the apostolic witness by the power of the Holy Ghost which does put upon you the burden of the name of Christ to all the world.

The Lord has declared that any of us who have seen the worlds move in their majesty and power have in fact seen God. But what are you talking about? If you live in Utah please come over and sit down and let's talk.

D&C 88:45-48
45 The earth rolls upon her wings, and the sun giveth his light by day, and the moon giveth her light by night, and the stars also give their light, as they roll upon their wings in their glory, in the midst of the power of God.
46 Unto what shall I liken these kingdoms, that ye may understand?
47 Behold, all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God moving in his majesty and power.
48 I say unto you, he hath seen him; nevertheless, he who came unto his own was not comprehended.

According to this everyone on earth today, who can see, has seen God. They simply do not realize it.

[_Tobin]

I have never seen God face to face.

I would recommend it. I would also suggest that you prepare for such an encounter. I was NOT prepared and it was rather shocking and not something I wish to repeat in the near future.

[_SteelHead]

Nightlion,
Just a quick non thread related FYI.... the apocalrock website seems to be down.

[_Nightlion]

Nighlion practices a type phrenology of mountains looking for god's will in the bumps and crags of the apocalrock. He (now correct me if I am wrong) affirms that the LDS church is in apostasy and many of its teaching are in error. Is his witness less valid/reliable than yours?

lol phrenologist! cute that.
I read The Apocalrock because it is there. A story board of God prepared from the foundation of the earth. Many Ancient revelations were scripted from off its references. I get the knowledge of God from God and not from off the bumps and crags of the rock. And, yes, the LDS Church is fallen into abject apostasy from whence it shall not ever recover. Individuals may repent and come unto Christ with full purpose of heart. The Church will never be owned by God again as it knowingly cast out the righteous who were sent unto it. The time is lost and it is everlastingly too late. The day of the Gentile is over.

It is not an all or nothing clean break. As Adam will have to sit and look into the books and see who truly apostatized and who can have an inheritance with the saints as per D&C 85.
But the time to gather the dispersed of the House of Israel is fully come in. Such is the call and preparation of The Apocalrock. The world will begin to see it at once.

[_Nightlion]

I have never seen God face to face.

I would recommend it. I would also suggest that you prepare for such an encounter. I was NOT prepared and it was rather shocking and not something I wish to repeat in the near future.

lol interesting! You think you may be able to coach me a bit? I am longing for some serious company and any celestial being would be of great comfort.

I was not prepared for the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. How can you be lest some wise man gives you some of his wisdom. There was no such a pastor for me.

[_Tobin]

lol interesting! You think you may be able to coach me a bit? I am longing for some serious company and any celestial being would be of great comfort.

I was not prepared for the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. How can you be lest some wise man gives you some of his wisdom. There was no such a pastor for me.

Here is what I'm doing. Aspire to be your best. Your best thoughts and desires come from God. I have a long way to go towards being my best, but I'll let you know where I get there.

[_Nightlion]

Nightlion,
Just a quick non thread related FYI.... the apocalrock website seems to be down.

Thanks. Yeah, that's worse than half down for the last few months. The Commitee on Strengthening the Members must have had at it lately. My rich and deep site went down last fall and the webhost told me his server fried. Nothing was saved.

I will put up two PDFs hosted from England where the addendum to my book of sightings is:

Addendum to The Vision Of All: The Apocalrock
apocalrock1

Second part of the same addendum
apocalrock2
I do not have the main book of the first thirty-six sighting online anymore.