Mormon Dialouge - Moderation Undefined

[_Buffalo]

That's a load Analytics. You've just always had a grudge against me for whatever reason, and mostly because I called you creepy recently. And I still find you creepy.

As for my comments, what was exactly wrong with it? I challenged the premise that homosexuality must be accepted by the Church because they can't control their attraction. Instead of acting like a 2 year old, why not actually address that? Oh you can't. It's more fun to demonize me and go kissing Nemesis's butt.

JMS

Likewise, there is no reason for the church to accept heterosexuality.

[_jskains]

I for one applaud the MADD moderators for taking this stand for maturity and decency.

I can't argue there. It's about time they started standing up to anti-gay bigotry. If someone were to compare Mormons to pedophiles or say Mormons are perverts, they'd get the entire mob down on them.

There is a difference between saying:

* If you take this stance, this will gateway to this idea

vs

* This and this are identical.

There has always been a lack of understanding of that basic difference, yet that difference is extremely important. Saying that if your stance is "homosexuality should be accepted because they can't control it" means if you use that line of thinking, pedophilia could be next because pedohiles make the same claim. it challenges the basic premise, stating it has to be more than just "These people can't control it".

And that reality is obvious because these positions is why pedophilia is a protected class now in Greece.

JMS

[_just me]

That's a load Analytics. You've just always had a grudge against me for whatever reason, and mostly because I called you creepy recently. And I still find you creepy.

As for my comments, what was exactly wrong with it? I challenged the premise that homosexuality must be accepted by the Church because they can't control their attraction. Instead of acting like a 2 year old, why not actually address that? Oh you can't. It's more fun to demonize me and go kissing Nemesis's butt.

JMS

Likewise, there is no reason for the church to accept heterosexuality.

Well, they don't accept monosexuality or homosexuality. What's one more to add to the list?

[_Analytics]

That's a load Analytics. You've just always had a grudge against me for whatever reason, and mostly because I called you creepy recently. And I still find you creepy.

As for my comments, what was exactly wrong with it? I challenged the premise that homosexuality must be accepted by the Church because they can't control their attraction. Instead of acting like a 2 year old, why not actually address that? Oh you can't. It's more fun to demonize me and go kissing Nemesis's butt.

JMS

I don't have a grudge against you. I thought the "creepy" rift in that thread was funny, but nothing about it bothered me or stuck with me.

What was wrong with your post, specifically, was that it is embarrassing towards the church. You were arguing against the concept, "homosexuals can't control themselves, therefore the church must embrace homosexuality." There are precisely zero pro-gay-rights people who think that way. It’s at best a straw man argument, at worst naked bigotry. So no, I’m not going to play the role of your straw man and argue with you about this.

Most of my friends on the Internet have been banned from MADD. I’ve been “unjustly” banned from a few threads myself. So no, I have no motivation nor inclination to kiss Nemesis’s butt, but I try to give credit where credit is due.

[_Buffalo]

There is a difference between saying:

* If you take this stance, this will gateway to this idea

vs

* This and this are identical.

There has always been a lack of understanding of that basic difference, yet that difference is extremely important. Saying that if your stance is "homosexuality should be accepted because they can't control it" means if you use that line of thinking, pedophilia could be next because pedohiles make the same claim. it challenges the basic premise, stating it has to be more than just "These people can't control it".

And that reality is obvious because these positions is why pedophilia is a protected class now in Greece.

JMS

It's offensive and bigoted to compare the two at all. And slippery slope arguments are inherently fallacious anyway.

Still, Wade's language was way worse than yours.

CFR on your Greece claim, by the way.

[_jskains]

http://news.yahoo.com/furor-greece-over ... 02476.html

[Guest]

JSkains wrote,

And that reality is obvious because these positions is why pedophilia is a protected class now in Greece.

What is obvious is your poor research and gullibility to believe things. What you state is not true.

"ATHENS, Greece (AP) — In a story Jan. 9 about definitions of disability in Greece, The Associated Press reported erroneously that the addition of groups such as pedophiles and kleptomaniacs to a list of the disabled could be used to grant them disability benefits. Their inclusion on the list will not be used to provide benefits."

http://news.yahoo.com/correction-greece ... 33153.html

This has been known for some time now to be erroneous and your further spreading of such inane ideas is a further illustration of why you got banned. The things you said are deplorable, unthoughtful and false.

mikwut

[_Tobin]

I think you are confused jskains. What one's sexual preference (or orientation) is has nothing to do with whether or not God made them that way or loves them or if they should be a member of God's church or not. It is how they choose express those feelings and orientation that is the problem (homosexual, heterosexual, bi-sexual). It is abuse of others inorder to self-gratify that is the sin and problem. People who cheat on their partner and other such behaviors are what cause the harm to not only themselves but others.

[_just me]

I think you are confused jskains. What one's sexual preference (or orientation) is has nothing to do with whether or not God made them that way or loves them or if they should be a member of God's church or not. It is how they choose express those feelings and orientation that is the problem (homosexual, heterosexual, bi-sexual). It is abuse of others inorder to self-gratify that is the sin and problem. People who cheat on their partner and other such behaviors are what cause the harm to not only themselves but others.

Exactly. Cheating, like what Joseph did to Emma, is what is deplorable. Not loving, consenting adults finding fulfilling relationships.

[_jskains]

JSkains wrote,

And that reality is obvious because these positions is why pedophilia is a protected class now in Greece.

What is obvious is your poor research and gullibility to believe things. What you state is not true.

"ATHENS, Greece (AP) — In a story Jan. 9 about definitions of disability in Greece, The Associated Press reported erroneously that the addition of groups such as pedophiles and kleptomaniacs to a list of the disabled could be used to grant them disability benefits. Their inclusion on the list will not be used to provide benefits."

http://news.yahoo.com/correction-greece ... 33153.html

This has been known for some time now to be erroneous and your further spreading of such inane ideas is a further illustration of why you got banned. The things you said are deplorable, unthoughtful and false.

mikwut

Did you actually read what you linked? Pedophila WAS added to the list of disabled, but it was not going to be used for benefits.

If you don't see that can still be a concern, your own agenda stricken mind has blinded you to reality.

JMS