The Light of Christ

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I would have to state, honestly, none that I am aware of, although he has had personal revelations which are normal for a prophet, I would imagine. He recounted one of those experiences in the last conference.
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gdemetz wrote:I would have to state, honestly, none that I am aware of, although he has had personal revelations which are normal for a prophet, I would imagine. He recounted one of those experiences in the last conference.

never mind.
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gdemetz wrote:Have you read the Doctrine and Covenants? If you have, then you undoubtedly noticed a big difference in those writings and the writings of their "Christian" contemporaries, haven't you?


Which version? The originals in the book of commandments of the reworked and greatly augmented ones that show an evolution in the theology of the godhead, the priesthood, and the organization of the church?
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An example.

Let us consider the Word of Wisdom as an example of the beauty of the revealed gospel. The law of health as revealed by god.

It is a study in the incompetency of god.

1st: To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days


Where is the revelation that changed this to a commandment?

Moving on and analyzing its contents:

It contains a couple of strictures that are nonsensical:
7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

So I should bathe...... in alcohol?

8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

And use tobacco for healing wounds and feeding cattle?

9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

This would seem to preclude any kind of thin clear soup, or herbal tea ...... yet it doesn't.

A couple that are meh:

17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

Wheat for man, but what about Celiac disease?


A few that are actually ok, like not smoking.

A couple that are probably wrong:

The counsel on wine is of dubious value as a little wine a day has been shown to be good for the heart.
The counsel on coffee and black/green tea is also of dubious value.

But if god was anything but an incompetent, or the word of wisdom anything but a reflection of temperance thought of the time it would have included this one stricture:

Boil you drinking water for 10 minutes whenever not taken directly from the source of a spring, or from a well of known quality.

That bit of advice surely would have been known by an omnipotent god doling out health advice to the people of the time. It would have prevented the practices that caused more deaths in the pioneer emigrations and in the camps of the civil war than the rest of the WOW combined.

And yet its absence is a glaring omission.
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Steelhead, looks like God could sure use somebody like you who is so much more knowledgeable than Him. Makes one wonder how He could create all those worlds and everything without you.
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Who says that he did?
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He does, angels have, and many prophets have also testified of this. All these scriptures that were written were not just written to pass the time.
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GD,
As you are new here, you do not yet know that I am a Candomblista and worship the Orixa Exu. Your creation accounts are entirely unfamiliar to me, not in the sense that I have not read and contemplated them, but that I do not accept them. They do not make sense when viewed through my worldview.

Why should I accept your mythos over my own? Why should I take your word that any angelic or prophetic ministration or prophecy is of any value?
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I'm not here to try to force anyone to accept my views.
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Are we forgetting the original post?

First of all, let me state that the reasons that I am writing this are twofold. The first is to show the beauty of non-man made, revealed religion, and the second is to try and dispel the myths associated with the athansian creed. The omnipresent entity in the universe is not any of the Godhead, but the light of Christ which is imminently connected to the Godhead. The vast "seas" of intelligences in the matter throughout the universe make up what is termed the light of Christ. As D&C 88 states, it is in all things, and it is, in fact, the power of God itself. Satan coveted this power, which was God's honor (see D&C 29) given by all these intelligences which sustain and support Him, not by force, but by their free will. This is how miracles are performed by natural law. These intelligences in the matter will obey God and move mountains at His command.This is the power Satan coveted. Furthermore, all those who "have been cleansed from sin every whit," as the Book of Mormon states, and have the priesthood authority from God, can also be delegated this power. THe Book of Mormon also states truly that if God were not just then He would cease to be God. Why? Because all these intelligences which make up the light of Christ would no longer support an unjust God, and His power would dissolve. Of course, I am confident that will never happen! Now I would like to ask a question. What man made religion could come up with such glorious truths?!?
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
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