Is ldsfaqs For Real?

[_Tobin]

ldsfaqs,

You might want to modify your approach. It is ok to think you are right and even be passionate when you argue your point. But, there is none good but God and neither of us are perfected beings and know it all. I know you like to tell the opposition how it is, but it is sometimes useful to listen and consider their point-of-view as well and experiences. It may not be comfortable or something you feel you need to do, but when you understand another's position, you can understand your own even better (at least in my experience).

[_ldsfaqs]

ldsfaqs,

You might want to modify your approach. It is ok to think you are right and even be passionate when you argue your point. But, there is none good but God and neither of us are perfected beings and know it all. I know you like to tell the opposition how it is, but it is sometimes useful to listen and consider their point-of-view as well and experiences. It may not be comfortable or something you feel you need to do, but when you understand another's position, you can understand your own even better (at least in my experience).

Maybe you've missed it, but I already know everything you all believe, and how you think, and how you got to think it. I understand entirely the positions of anti-mormons here. I already know how they make their judgments and why and how they are flawed.

Further, you and others continue to misrepresent me, further showing I speak the actual truth.
I've never claimed I was infallible, nor that I was a "know-it-all". There are many things I don't know, and sins and weaknesses I have. But, when I open my mouth, I ensure that what I'm saying is the absolute truth (on THAT subject).

Understand the difference???

When you all say Joseph was a "Pedophile", is that telling the absolute truth, or is that a emotional judgment based on only a cursory and ignorant understanding of the facts?

I don't speak on Math, I don't speak on Medicine, etc.
I speak on Mormonism because I KNOW exactly what I'm talking about.
I've been on EVERY SIDE, entirely outside of the box, and even beat on the box myself.
Further, you all attack me, and you think I'm not going to defend myself???
It has nothing to do with pride or arrogance, it's simply the FACTS. You challenge my intelligence, so I tell the facts! I'm not the one "puffing" myself. The others here are, by being classic bully's, and then I defend myself, and people cry.... waaaa waaaa, a Mormon simply tells us the facts about himself. Ooooo, he's so arrogant, etc. People here are trying to have their cake and eating it too.

[_lulu]

LDS that believe in Pre-Adamites simply believe that the "Israel" line of souls is a different or special line of souls. We suspect it's the Godly line from the Father, specially chosen as the lights of the world. Pre-Adamites were simply the "children of men", while Adamites were children of God. Of course, today the children of men are mixed with the children of God genetically speaking . . .

I also know to not open my mouth unless I'm telling the absolute truth on an issue or claim.

If you say so ldsfaqs, if you say so.

[_ldsfaqs]

LDS that believe in Pre-Adamites simply believe that the "Israel" line of souls is a different or special line of souls. We suspect it's the Godly line from the Father, specially chosen as the lights of the world. Pre-Adamites were simply the "children of men", while Adamites were children of God. Of course, today the children of men are mixed with the children of God genetically speaking . . .

I also know to not open my mouth unless I'm telling the absolute truth on an issue or claim.

If you say so ldsfaqs, if you say so.

I made clear on this subject that I was pronouncing a theory, and one that I have more affinity toward. I wasn't stating on this subject I know what the "absolute truth is".

Anyway, see the other thread that you don't actually know what your talking about on the subject and in relation to the Church. I gave you many articles to read.

[_lulu]

I made clear on this subject that I was pronouncing a theory, and one that I have more affinity toward. I wasn't stating on this subject I know what the "absolute truth is".

Anyway, see the other thread that you don't actually know what your talking about on the subject and in relation to the Church. I gave you many articles to read.

It was so generous of you to give me many articles to read.

Why don't you, in your own words, just a few, really, a short personal synthesis as it were, rather than a bare list of links, state how the spirits of the "pre-Adamites" were created.

That way we'll all know that you "actually know what your [sic] talking about on the subject and in relation to the Church."

I wouldn't want to misread your personal integration of the material. That wouldn't be fair to you.

[_ldsfaqs]

Why don't you instead study the best information and minds on the subject instead of sticking your head in the sand wanting my opinion on a subject I'm not even an expert on nor take or know as the absolute truth?

I already gave my general comments on the subject. That's all I'm able to do for the time being. It's really not something on my priority list to regurgitate. Sorry.

It fathoms me why anti-mormons and the ignorant wish to do everything they can to NOT actually study out of the best books for themselves, and instead want some "childish" wasting time rendering on a message board... as if comments on a message board can "really" get at the actual MEAT and TRUTH of a subject. ho hummm.... :(

by the way, I'm an expert on Anti-Mormonism and Mormonism, and Liberalism and Conservatism.
This subject/theory is not my purview....

[_lulu]

Why don't you instead study the best information and minds on the subject instead of sticking your head in the sand wanting my opinion on a subject I'm not even an expert on nor take or know as the absolute truth?

I already gave my general comments on the subject. That's all I'm able to do for the time being. It's really not something on my priority list to regurgitate. Sorry.

It fathoms me why anti-mormons and the ignorant wish to do everything they can to NOT actually study out of the best books for themselves, and instead want some "childish" wasting time rendering on a message board... as if comments on a message board can "really" get at the actual MEAT and TRUTH of a subject. ho hummm.... :(

by the way, I'm an expert on Anti-Mormonism and Mormonism, and Liberalism and Conservatism.
This subject/theory is not my purview....

Some people would be thrilled to be asked their opinion. You take it as an affront. I ask you a couple of questions about Mormonism and evolution and I'm an anti-Mormon and/or ignorant.

You proposed "pre-Adamites." The usual mode is for you to defend your point. And if you can't, it is fair to assume your point is invalid.

Do you agree that it is standard LDS theology that everything earthly has a spirit? Humans, dogs, pumpkins. Human spirits alone being the "enspiritment" of eternal intelligences. The spirit bodies of such inteligences being produce by divine copulation and birth.

So are the spirits of the pre-Adamites the literal off spring of Elohim and wives? Or was their creation more like that of the spirits of dogs and pumpkins. If the later, how did they breed in the flesh with the embodied spirits who were off spring of Elohiem and wives as you state thus becoming genetically intertwined?

If the former, how was it decided which of Elohiem and his wive's spiritual off spring would become Adamites and which pre-Adamites? Was it like Black Africans only worse?

Its not very sporting of you to respond to a very precise question, how were the spirits of the pre-Adamites created?

If you have no answer, then, in the context of Mormon pre-mortal life, your pre-Adamite theory fails.

Now, I thought I would read me some Sarah Hrdy, Mothers and Others, The Evolutionary Origins of Mutual Understanding.

When I get done I'll pull my head out of the sand and turn to "the best information and minds on the subject."

I wasn't trying to get you to regurgitate anything, if I was, I would have stuck my finger down your throat.

[_Nomomo]

OK, I'm convinced ldsfaqs is for real, if those living in an "Alternate Reality" are included as being real ~_-

[_ldsfaqs]

Actually, it's anti-mormons who live in an "alternate reality".....

I know for sure because I've been on all sides of the box, and many other boxes.
I know for sure which side is telling the truth and has the full facts, basing their judgment on the facts. It's anti-mormons who live in a "warped" reality.

[_Kishkumen]

Answer to OP: sadly for Mormondom, yes.