How Mormon Dialogue & Discussions crushed my testimony

[_thews]

FAIR was a great help to me as was their discussion board. They made me realize that critics have their interpretations and the apologists had their own interpretations. At the end of the day, the Book of Mormon has not been proven false and we have 11 witnesses to verify it. Plus, the question remains: who wrote the Book of Mormon? Reading critic boards, they have become experts at casting doubt in members' minds. The OP has fallen in line and is now getting kudos from the critics. Sad.

Translation: drink this... KoolAid

[_ldsfaqs]

I also don't shy away from bullies, bigots, and liars, people who do harm and misrepresent others.

Cool, so explain the creation of the spirits of "pre-Adamites."

As I've stated previously and initially when I first commented on it, it is a theory, one that is not incompatible with Mormonism. I tend to lean toward the theory, but I'm not beholden to it, nor any other. I'm satisfied with the creation story, and that I just don't know all the details yet. I'm also satisfied with science, and find no conflict between the two, even though at first glance there might appear to be. I believe there are explanations for it all. Pre-Adamites is simply one such possibility.

There have been many LDS including those like James Talmage, Hugh Nibley, etc. who have believed in Pre-Adamites.

Here's an interesting article: http://signaturebookslibrary.org/?p=7109

Another: http://www.mormonfortress.com/evolution.pdf

http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... e-Adamites

http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... e_the_Fall

Interesting article from his book before Darrick Evenson (a.k.a. Daheshist) went crazy: http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/adamites.html

Jeff Lindsay: http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/science.shtml

http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... e_the_Fall

[_ldsfaqs]

You are quite correct, ldsfaqs. I was speaking of you. Please give examples of when I was being rude.

That's right, I do know, because I know exactly what I'm doing, contrary to your claim below.
As to examples, I point them out when I feel like it. I don't follow people in order to degrade them. Just pick almost any post you all make, and you will see rudeness.

You came here in your latest incarnation looking for a fight and calling everyone who disagreed with you a "liar".

I only respond to what I see. If I saw good and right, I wouldn't have to call out any here.

You're a silly person. I doubt that you are making much headway promoting your point of view. You should read the posts on the board for a while and rethink.

I'm well aware that stating anything to an anti-mormon no matter how it's done or how well it's done will not change his views. The apologist doesn't post for the anti-mormon who's full of hate and bigotry, but for those still objective. I do however post in a way for your sakes, only to show you the evil of your ways. My contempt is a reflection of the evil you all engage in. Since I've been an anti-mormon, I personally know it well how corrupt and blind it is.

When I see a bully picking on someone, I don't stay silent, I tell them to stop, that what they are doing is wrong, etc. I do the same on the internet. Anyone that actually knows me, knows my venom is only given to those who deserve it, on or offline. I will keep giving people the benefit of the doubt, and try to explain things to them, but they keep with the crap, I'm going to keep pointing the crap out and the evil of it.

Frankly, it is evil and wrong to bear false witness of others. That's something bigots do.
Hence why I say and condemn how and what I do. We don't have to believe the same as others, but good people, and right people, don't lie about others. I don't lie about other religions, people, groups, etc., just because I don't believe what they do. Anti-mormons however do. That means they are on the dark side, not the light. Only evil wishes to destroy the light. Whatever you think of Mormonism, it's on and in the LIGHT. That makes you serving evil in your efforts to destroy it. And the fact is, there is something terribly wrong, terribly wrong, when you all have to lie and misrepresent it and it's people in almost every word you say about it and us. That's not simple disagreement, simple differences of opinion, that's evil. You think you don't, but you most surely do. You can mock, ridicule and everything else, but I know what you do, why you do it, how you think it. You think I don't, but you're not the first, and you're not the last.

[_lulu]

Anyone that actually knows me, knows my venom is only given to those who deserve it, on or offline.

Bite this. How were the spirits of the pre-Adamites created?

[_sock puppet]

I like bc. He is never rude or obnoxious (unlike some other recent posters). The poor guy is stuck trying to defend an untenable position. I'm guessing his strategy is the very best that he can do.

He can always do the enlightened thing, apostatize and unload the burden of defending an untenable position. When you say stuck, what is it that really keeps him from moving forward?

[_Infymus]

I don't lie about other religions, people, groups, etc., just because I don't believe what they do. Anti-mormons however do. That means they are on the dark side, not the light. Only evil wishes to destroy the light. Whatever you think of Mormonism, it's on and in the LIGHT. That makes you serving evil in your efforts to destroy it. And the fact is, there is something terribly wrong, terribly wrong, when you all have to lie and misrepresent it and it's people in almost every word you say about it and us. That's not simple disagreement, simple differences of opinion, that's evil. You think you don't, but you most surely do. You can mock, ridicule and everything else, but I know what you do, why you do it, how you think it. You think I don't, but you're not the first, and you're not the last.

Good, ldsfaqs, let your anger flow through you. Your hate will make you strong. True power is only achieved through testing the limits of one's anger, passing through unscathed. Rage channeled through anger is unstoppable.

[_consiglieri]

Dear LostinDC,

I remember you from the MAD Board, and I think you and I locked horns on a few occasions. If you are the same lostindc, and if my memory is any good, you struck me as pretty orthodox at the time and not very willing to look at alternative views.

I was surprised in encountering a very different kind of lostindc on this board some time later.

I like this lostindc better.

For what it's worth.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

thanks sir, yes I fought very hard even when my doubts were rather high. I apologize for my actions. I feel quite duped over the whole mess.

I want you to know I wasn't getting down on you, dc. First, I was just doing a memory check to see if I was recalling correctly.

Second, it is interesting to me to compare your former mode of communication with those who continue to do so (*ahem* ldsfaqs *ahem*) and wonder if they might be masking similar doubts.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_ldsfaqs]

Consig..... I have no doubts, I've already been through the trail of my Faith, and I know the full truth and answers for basically every single problem related to the Church.

Further, I've already show you primarily over at MA&DB the MANY anti-mormon positions you hold, which is the actual "clues" that someone is loosing their Faith.

I don't have a single issue with the Church save a couple of preferences which are well within human fallibility allowances. You however have many. So, who REALLY is the more likely to loose their Faith at this stage between us? Certainly not I. I'm a convert and have already been an anti-mormon. I'm only going up, unless I loose my heart, which is separate from the intellect, what I know to be true.