Do Mormons believe God literaly had sex with Mary?

[_zeezrom]

This is like blacks and the priesthood: "We simply do not know. Stop worrying about the insignificant details! What matters is that he was born and then murdered some 30+ years later. Oh, and he loves to play with baby kittens and sing with children. And he has a great smile."

[Guest]

Mormon Doctrine in this respect is totally contradictory to Catholic Doctrine, and offensive to Catholics.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p122a3p2.htm

The Immaculate Conception

490 To become the mother of the Savior, Mary "was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role."132 The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as "full of grace".133 In fact, in order for Mary to be able to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement of her vocation, it was necessary that she be wholly borne by God's grace.

491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God,134 was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:

The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.135

492 The "splendor of an entirely unique holiness" by which Mary is "enriched from the first instant of her conception" comes wholly from Christ: she is "redeemed, in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son".136 The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person "in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places" and chose her "in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love".137

493 The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God "the All-Holy" (Panagia), and celebrate her as "free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature".138 By the grace of God Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long.

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Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. "This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death";504 it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:

Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: "Woman, behold your son."505


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After her Son's Ascension, Mary "aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers."506 In her association with the apostles and several women, "we also see Mary by her prayers imploring the gift of the Spirit, who had already overshadowed her in the Annunciation."507

. . . also in her Assumption

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"Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509

. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

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By her complete adherence to the Father's will, to his Son's redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church's model of faith and charity. Thus she is a "preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church"; indeed, she is the "exemplary realization" (typus)510 of the Church.

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Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."511

http://old.usccb.org/catechism/text/entiretoc1.shtml

[_Corpsegrinder]

This is like blacks and the priesthood: "We simply do not know. Stop worrying about the insignificant details! What matters is that he was born and then murdered some 30+ years later. Oh, and he loves to play with baby kittens and sing with children. And he has a great smile."

Insignificant details!?

But...but...what if the HG forgot to wash out the turkey baster when he was finished? What if someone finds it afterwards and tries to, well, baste a turkey? Don't tell me you never had this happen to you!!!!!!!!

[_bcspace]

Do Mormons believe God himself literally had sexual intercourse with Joseph's wife Mary in order to produce the offspring known as Jesus Christ?

Do you think they would have said "Yes. Yes we do."?

If they did, I have no problem with it. But the Church's response is Luke 1:35. We really don't have any more details than that other than the implication of the doctrinal literallity of Jesus' Divine Sonship. Such an implication does not say anything about process, it is merely not unreasonable to assume.

[_SteelHead]

Is this going to be another of those issues, where despite of dozens of quotes a few in church published manuals, you are going to say that it does not cross the rubicon of official doctrine, like you do with the global flood?

[_Jason Bourne]

Tobin,
The difficulty for the believer becomes then: which prophets were speaking as a prophet and which was as man. If we throw out teachings of BY do when then throw out the Book of Abraham? The Book of Mormon? It becomes a rabbit hole with no end escalated by the teachings that the prophet can not lead the church astray. If BY was wrong on Adam-God, then was he actually the true successor to Joseph Smith? Were the rlds actually correct, the flds?

But see Tobin there seems to be a lot of that in the LDS Church. They Prophets and Apostles run the Church not you. When does "The Prophets got that wrong" become a problem for the LDS Church and for you?

[_Doctor Scratch]

In response to the OP, the question really needs to be, "Which Mormons are you talking about?" I think that the typical Chapel Mormon doesn't think about this at all--they are totally oblivious to BY's teachings on this matter. I'm sure that there are certain old-school Mormons who have heard the teachings and believe it: probably there are some of the Brethren who believe this, but, of course, they would never publicly admit it.

Then there are the Mopologists. I have seen at least one of them suggest that Jesus was actually conceived via artificial insemination, which is just bizarre on virtually every level. How this is supposed to work as a positive alternative to BY's teachings is incomprehensible (e.g., Did HF use some kind of "turkey baster" method? Did he just sort of "will" his seed into Mary? Did he have to masturbate beforehand? Etc.).

[_bcspace]

Is this going to be another of those issues, where despite of dozens of quotes a few in church published manuals, you are going to say that it does not cross the rubicon of official doctrine, like you do with the global flood?

When have I denied that the Global flood is LDS doctrine?

I think that the typical Chapel Mormon doesn't think about this at all--they are totally oblivious to BY's teachings on this matter

Likely because they accept the Church's definition of doctrine. However, there is no doubt about the literalness of Jesus' Divine Sonship. The doctrine is emphasized and stressed, even at the Primary ages, that God the Father is Jesus' literal Father in the same way our own mortal fathers are our literal fathers.

[_SteelHead]

Oh shoot.... I think I am confusing subs on an old thread for you. My apology extended.

[_KevinSim]

Do Mormons believe God himself literally had sexual intercourse with Joseph's wife Mary in order to produce the offspring known as Jesus Christ?

I personally do not believe that God had sexual intercourse with Mary. I think Brigham Young's statements reflect the fact that Young wasn't aware of any other way for Mary to get pregnant except by intercourse. Young correctly understood that Jesus was literally God the Father's Son; half of Jesus's chromosomes came from Mary and the other half of His chromosomes did literally come from God the Father. But Young wasn't aware that there are other ways for Jesus to have been conceived that didn't involve sexual contact.