Pre-adamites were using fire 1 million years ago

[_Corpsegrinder]

There's something about this thread that makes me imagine a bunch of ancient Roman senators in togas, shaking their fists in the air and shouting, "Death! Death to the soulless pre-adamites!"

[_bcspace]

I have merely said they were homo sapiens. They aren't spirit children of God because their spirits are different and they don't qualify as men scriptural for that reason. But as far as science can tell, there is no change (none such is implied by the scriptures). Hence I am neither in conflict with the scriptures or science.

How were pre-Adamite spirits created?

How were other animal spirits created?

How do you know this?

Irrelevant. The doctrine (every living thing has a spirit) is that other spirits of all kinds were created. Thus, my hypothesis does not require of God anything more than what we already know.

On what day of creation were their earthly bodies created?

How do you know this?

Don't know.

Do you believe in the merely 6000 year old earth?

No. That is contrary to the doctrine on D&C 77.

Do you agree with ldsfaqs that the Pre-adamite children of men reproduced with the Adamite children of God?

I think it's hypothetically possible. One possibility is that the pre Adamites disappeared via interbreeding. But I'm not bound to any particular direction as far as those details are concerned. My only concern has been finding a model whereby evolution is not in conflict with LDS doctrine and I have achieved that by merely accepting all doctrine and all science on the matter.

[_bcspace]

1. Pre-Adamites are a "theory", not an absolute.

2. Don't recall anyone saying pre-adamites were "soulless". Certainly has never been my argument, nor any other LDS that I know of.

Shows how much the anti-mormon mind perverts facts for their unrighteous judgments.

Jesus Hoover Christ! Refuting pre-adamites now makes one an anti-mormon who perverts facts?

No. But perverting the facts as illustrated does.

[_lulu]

How were pre-Adamite spirits created?

How were other animal spirits created?

You tell me Mr. Answer a Question with a Question. You're the one putting the pre-Adamites with pre-mortal souls theory out there. Burdens on you.

Now, are you going to run and hide, post 1/2 dozen links and tell me to look it up because you can't be bothered to explain it, or resort to your My Apologetics are too Powerful response "I don't know?"

[_LDSToronto]

Jesus Hoover Christ! Refuting pre-adamites now makes one an anti-mormon who perverts facts?

No. But perverting the facts as illustrated does.

Exactly which facts have been illustrated?

H.

[_ldsfaqs]

1. Pre-Adamites are a "theory", not an absolute.

2. Don't recall anyone saying pre-adamites were "soulless". Certainly has never been my argument, nor any other LDS that I know of.

Shows how much the anti-mormon mind perverts facts for their unrighteous judgments.

Jesus Hoover Christ! Refuting pre-adamites now makes one an anti-mormon who perverts facts?

H.

Nope.... But misrepresenting the subject, and some LDS views on it certainly does.
Perversion of truth is the anti-mormon mind and actions. You all do it in almost anything you say about Mormonism and Mormons.

Case in point above. No LDS I've ever seen has called Pre-Adamites "soulless", and yet the anti-mormon who posted that claim claims we have. That is called lying, that is anti-mormon behavior, especially since it's coming FROM an anti-mormon.

Another case in point, there is no actual doctrine for or against Pre-Adamites.
There are two theory's, the traditional more common LDS understanding, and the Pre-Adamites. I have links in a couple of threads which shows that neither is actually doctrine, despite some trying to provide some manual quotes that support a particular side.

[_lulu]

No LDS I've ever seen has called Pre-Adamites "soulless",

So what is ldsfaqs' (if that's who you really are) theory of pre-Adamite spirits? Were they actually off-spring of God and wives incorporating pre-spirit intellegences = human?

Or were they created in another way and were animal spirits?

And if there genes were combined in their mortal bodies as you claim, wouldn't that be beastiality?

Stop yammering already and post your theory (that's post your theory, not post a 1/2 dozen undigested links.)

[_Buffalo]

Nope.... But misrepresenting the subject, and some LDS views on it certainly does.
Perversion of truth is the anti-mormon mind and actions. You all do it in almost anything you say about Mormonism and Mormons.

Case in point above. No LDS I've ever seen has called Pre-Adamites "soulless", and yet the anti-mormon who posted that claim claims we have. That is called lying, that is anti-mormon behavior, especially since it's coming FROM an anti-mormon.

Another case in point, there is no actual doctrine for or against Pre-Adamites.
There are two theory's, the traditional more common LDS understanding, and the Pre-Adamites. I have links in a couple of threads which shows that neither is actually doctrine, despite some trying to provide some manual quotes that support a particular side.

Just the fact that you think there were pre-Adamites proves you're an apostate, out of harmony with the restored gospel.

[_Infymus]

And since they are animals, let's capture them, reduce them to chattel and laden them with task like beasts of burden. Cheap labor is good for the bottom line. Imagine the savings if we could've had these animals build the mall......

Naw, just put a Book of Mormon in their hands, tell them they're Lamanites and get them into the baptismal font. Then get them to dump their traditions, their dress, their lifestyles - put on a white shirt and a tie, get to sacrament meeting - and start paying tithing.

[_Darth J]

Darth J, Buffalo and who-ever is quoting LDS manuals and thinking that's the actual doctrine need to read these articles. They debunk your claims.

There have been many LDS including those like James Talmage, Hugh Nibley, etc. who have believed in Pre-Adamites.

Here's an interesting article: http://signaturebookslibrary.org/?p=7109

Another: http://www.mormonfortress.com/evolution.pdf

Pay special attention: http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... e-Adamites

Pay special attention: http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... e_the_Fall

Interesting article from his book before Darrick Evenson (a.k.a. Daheshist) went crazy: http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/adamites.html

Jeff Lindsay: http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/science.shtml

http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_ ... e_the_Fall

This is 100% non-responsive. Not a single thing you have listed here was published or advocated by the LDS Church. And the FAIR wiki entries on the Fall directly contradict official LDS teachings. Pay special attention: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15412&hilit=tautology&start=84