Do Mormons believe God literaly had sex with Mary?

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Themis wrote:And how do you know this is false doctrine? Sex is so bad that God would never engage in it. LOL Funny how Joseph got lots of sex with lots of women but the church has evolved to view sex so negatively.

It is ironic that a religion that started out with so much lascivious sex has become so Victorian prudish into the 21st Century.
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SteelHead wrote:With as much of what Brigham taught being declared wrong...... Please provide an example of what he got right.

Can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I do remember quite vividly a priesthood lesson manual some years back in the Presidents of the Church series, that contained a manual full of lessons filled with the words of Brigham Young. I think it's fairly safe to assume that all the words quoted in that manual were things Young said that he got right.
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Adam-God ~ Wrong
Mary God sex ~ Wrong
Priesthood Ban ~ Wrong
Blood Atonement ~ Wrong

Now please point to a teaching that is distinctly Brigham, something where he is not parroting Joseph or some common christian belief that he did get right.

It is easy to fill up a manual when a guy spouts as much as he did. Did you ever go the the source of the quotes for the manual and see how heavily redacted and censored the stuff that was in the manual was? There was only one reference to polygamy in the manual and it was in passing, not any doctrinal discussion of it.

Again, please provide one distinctly Brigham teaching that you are not now dismissing.
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BY, McConkie, JFS, LDS Manuals all said God had sex with Mary in the literal sense. So are they the rare nut?


You didn't quote from anything the Church accepts as doctrine. What else you got?
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When have I denied that the Global flood is LDS doctrine?

Bcspace, I believe you have said previously that you personally do not believe in a literal global flood despite that being the official Church doctrine.


That is correct. I do not accept the official LDS doctrine of a global flood. So.....?
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bcspace, why do you always delete the names of the people you are quoting?


I have never done that. I merely don't use the quote button when I reply.

Surely you know how to leave them in. You're a Computer Scientist.


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bcspace wrote:That is correct. I do not accept the official LDS doctrine of a global flood. So.....?


There is no 'so'.
I was just highlighting to the other board posters on this thread that although the Great Flood is official doctrine, you personally don't believe it.

Officially, does Mormonism teach God literally had sex (as we know it) with Mary?
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Nope, you can't interpret words correctly.


Sorry Mr FAQless. It is you who either cannot interpret or read correctly. Take another look:

BY Said:

"The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood -- was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).



Quote:
McConkie said:
"There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events..." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).


Young said it was the result of natural action. McConkie said he was conceived in the natural and normal course of events. Can they be more plain?

Look, I am only copying what they said. Now the next question is how did almost all the members, except the mealy mouthed two faced apologists such as yourself who want to wiggle out of things that are no for some reason embarrassing, understand what they were saying? The answer is that they understand their leaders to say that Jesus was conceived through a sexual act.

Even worse, you all entirely ignore entire Church history in which every single LDS leader has taught the traditional understanding of Christ's birth and conception.

This issue is a perfect example of how you people use a little truth to tell great lies.
1. You misrepresent their words.
2. You entirely ignore the context those words were even said in the first place (debunking other religions doctrines concerning the Holy Ghost).
3. You entirely ignore the words of the men themselves on the subject which clearly teach the common understanding.
4. You entirely ignore 180 years of LDS history in which we have taught exactly the same on the subject, contrary to your interpretation of these "select quotes".

Your actions are the very definition of being liars.....


Yea, yea everyone is stupid and a liar. That is the sum of your defense. But really it is you who are lying. Embrace what the LDS leaders taught. The Church used to do that till online LDS apologetic became so popular and the LDS Church seemed to want to main stream itself.
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Why does this have to be so difficult? Mormonism is supposed to be about truth, let it come where it may. Nobody who spent a lifetime learning did not find themselves on the the wrong end of the truth often. That is what learning means.

Christ was not born from sex with Mary. That is not rational in a day that knows enough to realize God has options which could keep Mary a virgin and yet inseminate her to give birth to the Son of God. Until we learn the truth we are all dumb as Brigham.

Certainly nobody should believe that about Mary. Or think it of God.
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"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost" (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.7).

So. You have a prophet officially proclaiming on behalf of the Church that JC was sired by God.

Seems pretty clear to me, man. Officially clear.

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