Do Mormons believe God literaly had sex with Mary?

[_Shulem]

Heavenly Father had sex with Mary. I have a testimonkey of that. And Brigham Young knew what he was talking about. He was a prophet. Those who deny him -- death on the spot and automatic excommunication!



Paul O

[_Nightlion]

In response to the OP, the question really needs to be, "Which Mormons are you talking about?" I think that the typical Chapel Mormon doesn't think about this at all--they are totally oblivious to BY's teachings on this matter. I'm sure that there are certain old-school Mormons who have heard the teachings and believe it: probably there are some of the Brethren who believe this, but, of course, they would never publicly admit it.

Then there are the Mopologists. I have seen at least one of them suggest that Jesus was actually conceived via artificial insemination, which is just bizarre on virtually every level. How this is supposed to work as a positive alternative to BY's teachings is incomprehensible (e.g., Did HF use some kind of "turkey baster" method? Did he just sort of "will" his seed into Mary? Did he have to masturbate beforehand? Etc.).

Very keen of you to observe this Dr Scratch. But ah, cloning does not require spermatozoa. It requires only a complete DNA. The host ovum has its DNA destroyed and the complete set of DNA for the cloning is inserted into the host ovum. Then that ovum is placed within the womb of the surrogate. It only requires a compatibility*. We are made in God's image and likeness. God did not come by way of Father and mother and is without beginning of days or end of years. He is not capable of sexual reproduction. That is why we are given the seeds to procreate both in the world and out of the world.

*About the DNA of God: it did not come by way of combination of two separate strands as does ours in a sexual union. So it follows that it is altogether unique even though it is capable of growing inside a human host a cloned offspring. (Jesus) In that DNA would be much of what God is. Of the world of books that could have been written about Christ some would regal us of those things more remarkable than walking on water or turning water to wine, or raising the dead, which Jesus did not do because the faith of the people was weak.

We came by way of a deconstruction and separation into two sexes rather than containing all in one. This divides all other species into inferior bodies making it much more pleasant to rule over them than have the rivalry of contesting adversaries on equal footing with God. So wise of him. Certainly all life came by way of retro-engineering the DNA of God.

Why did Christ take back his body instead of gloriously resurrecting it? Because it was a clone and will be discarded whole at when all things are made new. Seems like I cannot correct a small thing without opening up a greater thing.

Cloning is the ONLY option available for Christ to come into the world. A seed body that combines DNA would not be God. The Holy Ghost has the power to implant a clone as well as it can give us a new heart from God.

[_Drifting]

Is this official enough?

Family Home Evenings (1972), by the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint pp. 125-126

"help you and your children understand that Jesus is God's Only Begotten Son." [3]:
"A MODERN PROPHET'S ANSWER":

"Now we are told in Scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father... We must come down to the simple fact that God Almighty was the Father of His Son Jesus Christ. Mary, the virgin girl, who had never known mortal man, was his mother. God by her begot His son Jesus Christ. And he was born into the world with power and intelligence like that of his Father."
~Joseph F. Smith

Includes the following diagrams:





Children are begotten in the same manner Jesus was begotten of his father.

Official church source.

Bc, is frantically trying to find a more recent official Church source that will repudiate this Official Church source...

[_ldsfaqs]

Nope, you can't interpret words correctly.

Sorry Mr FAQless. It is you who either cannot interpret or read correctly. Take another look:

BY Said:

"The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood -- was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).

Quote:
McConkie said:
"There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events..." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742).

Young said it was the result of natural action. McConkie said he was conceived in the natural and normal course of events. Can they be more plain?

Yep, Christ was concieved AND born the same way we all are, matter meats matter, and a child is created.

Further, you IGNORE the word "born". Does being "born" and raised in the womb mean SEX???
Clearly they were teaching the common LDS understanding that Christ is literally the Son of God, the Only Begotten Son of God, in the Flesh to make it even more clear.

Further, the scriptures clearly state the "process". You conveniently ignore that part, that it occurred through the HOly Ghost by the power of God overshadowing.

Look, I am only copying what they said. Now the next question is how did almost all the members, except the mealy mouthed two faced apologists such as yourself who want to wiggle out of things that are no for some reason embarrassing, understand what they were saying? The answer is that they understand their leaders to say that Jesus was conceived through a sexual act.

You must have NEVER been a Mormon to even say that???
I've attended some 30 different Wards in some 15 different city's in my life, and I have NEVER heard ANY Mormon believe the process occurred by sex. More importantly it has NEVER been taught!!!

The only place I've ever seen a Mormon believe this is the extremely rare Mormon on the internet and a few instances in LDS history.

You are an absolute liar! A perfect example of how you people lie.
In your warped minds, if even "1" Mormon in a Million has ever said or believed something, then it's believed by Mormons, and the Church. Scumbag!

Even worse, you all entirely ignore entire Church history in which every single LDS leader has taught the traditional understanding of Christ's birth and conception.

This issue is a perfect example of how you people use a little truth to tell great lies.
1. You misrepresent their words.
2. You entirely ignore the context those words were even said in the first place (debunking other religions doctrines concerning the Holy Ghost).
3. You entirely ignore the words of the men themselves on the subject which clearly teach the common understanding.
4. You entirely ignore 180 years of LDS history in which we have taught exactly the same on the subject, contrary to your interpretation of these "select quotes".

Your actions are the very definition of being liars.....

Yea, yea everyone is stupid and a liar. That is the sum of your defense. But really it is you who are lying. Embrace what the LDS leaders taught. The Church used to do that till online LDS apologetic became so popular and the LDS Church seemed to want to main stream itself.

Why don't you use your brain and actually address the "4" points above with your counter facts?

You have no rebuttal to the FACT that LDS leaders including the ones you quote have ALWAYS also taught the traditional LDS understanding, that Mary was a Virgin, that it occurred through the Holy Ghost, power of God etc. You entirely ignore the reasonings those words were even said.

Bottom line, is you aren't interested in being Honest, you are interested in degrading Mormonism. If you were honest, you would know that a few statements pulled from history that "seems" to you to "imply" something, while ignoring the 1,000's of other statements by LDS leaders which contradict your interpretation, would mean that maybe you aren't interpreting their words correctly, that they were talking about something else. Even further, if you were interested in being honest, even if those words were said, there STILL exists the rest of LDS history which entirely debunks your claim that Mormonism believes and teaches this, when you know DANG WELL that the Church teaches something completely different. IN fact, the Church has no teaching or doctrine on HOW the fertilization occurred, other than what the scriptures say, again, through the HOly Ghost, by the Power of God. That IS the official position of the Church, so even further you are a liar!!!

[_ldsfaqs]

Is this official enough?

Family Home Evenings (1972), by the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint pp. 125-126

"help you and your children understand that Jesus is God's Only Begotten Son." [3]:
"A MODERN PROPHET'S ANSWER":

"Now we are told in Scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father... We must come down to the simple fact that God Almighty was the Father of His Son Jesus Christ. Mary, the virgin girl, who had never known mortal man, was his mother. God by her begot His son Jesus Christ. And he was born into the world with power and intelligence like that of his Father."
~Joseph F. Smith

Includes the following diagrams:





Children are begotten in the same manner Jesus was begotten of his father.

Official church source.

Still doesn't mean "sex"...... All the above pictures do is show PATERNITY.... not sex.

Christianity and especially Mormonism has ALWAYS claimed that Christ was the Only Begotten Son of the Father.
What part of that do you people not understand? That is paternity, not sex.
Further, the scriptures already say the "process" the event occurred, and it wasn't by sex.
The scripture states that Mary was Impregnated by the Holy Ghost with God's Power overshadowing her. Clearly, anyone with a brain instead of a perverted sex on the brain anti-mormon brain, would understand that Mary was translated, and through the Holy Ghost the Fathers DNA was bonded with Mary's Egg.

And then EVERYTHING about the rest was NATURAL, just as any man..... just as some LDS leaders have also said.

This is all what Christianity and Mormonism has always taught. It's NEVER been about sex.
Just because the rare idiot have assumed that, being mental like the anti-mormon, doesn't mean that's the correct view.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost" (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.7).

Apologists are Apostates.

V/R
Doctor "I did not impregnate that woman." NC for Me

[_SteelHead]

Faqs,
How does our children being begotten in the same manner that Jesus was begotten not mean sex? Are you saying that Mormon children are all test tube babies?

[_Buffalo]

Still doesn't mean "sex"...... All the above pictures do is show PATERNITY.... not sex.

Christianity and especially Mormonism has ALWAYS claimed that Christ was the Only Begotten Son of the Father.
What part of that do you people not understand? That is paternity, not sex.
Further, the scriptures already say the "process" the event occurred, and it wasn't by sex.
The scripture states that Mary was Impregnated by the Holy Ghost with God's Power overshadowing her. Clearly, anyone with a brain instead of a perverted sex on the brain anti-mormon brain, would understand that Mary was translated, and through the Holy Ghost the Fathers DNA was bonded with Mary's Egg.

And then EVERYTHING about the rest was NATURAL, just as any man..... just as some LDS leaders have also said.

This is all what Christianity and Mormonism has always taught. It's NEVER been about sex.
Just because the rare idiot have assumed that, being mental like the anti-mormon, doesn't mean that's the correct view.

Perhaps god employed the use of a fertility clinic.

I object to your characterization of Brigham Young as an anti-Mormon, by the way.

[Guest]

Mary was or wasn't a virgin?

[_Yoda]

Doctor "I did not impregnate that woman." NC for Me

OK...this made me LOL!

No fair doing that to me at work, Cam! LOL