Have scientist every burned each other at the stake because the disagreed on a fundament?
Probably not that specific thing but science is not shy to invent horrific murdering devices. Seems they have no morality at all. Chemical Weapons of mass destruction. Nuclear Weapons of world annihilation, nanobot-who knows-whats that could kill entire populations. Missiles, smart bombs, stink bomb, TV that makes you stupid, Video games that make you violent and stupid. Communications that drive you crazy forcing you to hear obnoxious TUNES in every damn building you go to. Cars, trains, airplanes, boat all kill lots and lots of people. Thanks Science guys the world would have been better off if you had just remained strange brew witches trying to turn dirt into gold. OH YEAH, that's right the pharmaceuticals have done just that. Dirt to gold. So we could go into the medical sciences and visit all the abominations invented there. Hmm?
lulu wrote:Honest question:Have scientist every burned each other at the stake because the disagreed on a fundament?
Seems they have no morality at all.
I would agree that the scientific method in and of it self has no specific ethics.
My point was different. Science proceeds from arguments about observable, measurable, repeatable and fasifiable evidence. Disagreements don't result in torture or executions but in more arguement about that which is observation and measurement. That's a matter of the scientific method more than ethics.
Any wrongful denials of tenure or grants pale in the face of religious wars, autos de fe and executions. That's not silly.
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"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
Dark Matter is called dark matter because it doesn't emit EM radiation, including light. It's literally dark. There's also a play on words in the term in that it is a bit mysterious.
Jskains' initial post is a classic example of a type of argument from ignorance religious fundamentalists seem to adore. His is a relatively unsophisticated one that is easy to mock, but I do think a lot more people do it in more subtle and sophisticated ways.
The idea that godless scientists are trying to "explain away" something without appealing to the existence of God - which is so clearly a compelling explanation - just fails on so many grounds. First, scientists collectively are just trying to explain things period. They aren't on some atheist witch hunt grasping at straws. Many of those scientists are believers in some kind of deity to begin with. The goal isn't to explain away the gods. It's to understand the world.
Second, the idea that "God did it" - or "God for mysterious reasons in mysterious ways made what it is I'm seeking to explain the way it is" - explains anything is silly. It doesn't successfully explain anything. It, in fact, explains everything equally well, which is to say poorly. This is not some rock solid elephant in the room explanation that the natural sciences are just neglecting. It's a nonstarter. That's why it gets ignored. It trivially builds into the hypothesis the very thing it seeks to explain in such a way that it carries no explanatory properties. The same trick can be played with an unintelligent object or mysterious force to equal failure. All you have to do is define them as having a property such that whatever it is you observe will be as you observe.
In the end what this comes off like is saying that theories about how the Eyptians built the pyramids are just ridiculous theories meant to avoid the conclusion that aliens did it. Even if those theories were ridiculous the motive behind them isn't to avoid your "obvious" conclusion and your conclusion isn't demonstrated by the failure of other explanations. How did the aliens do it? What evidence is there of their action other than the mere fact that pyramids exist?
Doctor Scratch wrote:No, I don't "see." What I see is you asking dumb questions and then pretending to be surprised when people make fun of you. Hey: while we're at it, maybe we can get Infymus to post that picture of your russett-like cranium juxtaposed with Mr. Potato-head?
Must be nice to make fun of people while your little pansy butt is hiding behind that copyright infringement image. Too bad your too much of a little coward to show yourself. Doesn't take much of a man to hurl insults while remaning anonymous.
JMS
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition from Mediocre Minds - Albert Einstein
EAllusion wrote:Jskains' initial post is a classic example of a type of argument from ignorance religious fundamentalists seem to adore. His is a relatively unsophisticated one that is easy to mock, but I do think a lot more people do it in more subtle and sophisticated ways.
Funny. I see a lot of hot air.
Explain then where I am ignorant. Lets see how you believe to know so much more about the origins of the universe according to current Physicists. Lets get a full understanding of Quantum Fluxuations, and gravitational negative energy bringing the universe into existance due to the basics of Quantum Fluxuations.
Put your money where your mouth is, since you are so much more enlightened.
JMS
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition from Mediocre Minds - Albert Einstein
EAllusion wrote:Dark Matter is called dark matter because it doesn't emit EM radiation, including light. It's literally dark. There's also a play on words in the term in that it is a bit mysterious.
That is not fact. That is their explination for why we can't supposedly see this mass. The only reason they believe the mass to exist is to fill in a gap in their theory.
It's a bit like saying.
"Well according to my theory, this mass needs to exist to explain the expanding universe". "Why can't we see this unknown mass?" "Um... Well... Um... Cause it doesn't emit light or radiation.... So we can't see it!"
Gee, sounds familiar.
JMS
Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition from Mediocre Minds - Albert Einstein
