City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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Re: City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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The Not-So-Great Mall of China: Welcome to the world's largest (and loneliest) shopping centre
It was trumpeted as the world's largest retail mall, with shoppers able to browse through 1,500 stores, take a stroll along a mock Venetian canal or even have lunch in front of an 85ft replica of the Arc de Triomphe.
But the New South China Mall, which opened in 2005, stands empty with 99 per cent of its shops having remained unleased and attractions including a 553-metre indoor and outdoor roller coaster standing idle.

Am I off topic ?

Abandoned: The New South China Mall is the largest in the world, with space for 1,500 stores, but has less than 12 shops
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Eerie: Shop workers walk underneath a 550m rollercoaster in the deserted amusement centre
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Run down: The mall sign stands unlit and, right, an abandoned gondola on the mock Venetian canal
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... entre.html
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Re: City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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harmony wrote:
Drifting wrote:The Church funded the entire project (using cash not loans), including condominiums and office towers. The Church brought a partner (Taubmen) in to run the retail letting side of things and pays them a commission on the rents received.


Not that I don't believe you, because I do, but it would help my cause considerably if you could provide documentation for this information.

Thanks in advance.


Harmony, the link below has the financial information you seek, plus many posters views on penis envy.

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23082&p=567468&hilit=Taubman#p567468
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Phaedrus Ut wrote:The development was 2 times the cost of the Burj Khalifa with 1/4 of the square footage. The economics just don't make sense.


Phaedrus


But does the Burj Khalifa utilize Utah Sandstone or have a vista view of the Salt Lake Temple? Just consider the licensing fees from that view alone!
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Re: City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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Thing about the mall is that it doesn't matter if it fails. The Cult will continue to act as if all is well in Zion. Mormons are conditioned to believe that poverty, failure and depression are signs of weakness and sin. This is why so many of them are on anti-depressants - they always have to try to remain visibly happy. Nope. The Cult will continue to act as if nothing is wrong and foot the bill for years.
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Re: City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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Infymus wrote:Thing about the mall is that it doesn't matter if it fails. The Cult will continue to act as if all is well in Zion. Mormons are conditioned to believe that poverty, failure and depression are signs of weakness and sin. This is why so many of them are on anti-depressants - they always have to try to remain visibly happy. Nope. The Cult will continue to act as if nothing is wrong and foot the bill for years.


Very much like the Communist Party in China.
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Re: City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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Infymus wrote:Thing about the mall is that it doesn't matter if it fails. The Cult will continue to act as if all is well in Zion. Mormons are conditioned to believe that poverty, failure and depression are signs of weakness and sin. This is why so many of them are on anti-depressants - they always have to try to remain visibly happy. Nope. The Cult will continue to act as if nothing is wrong and foot the bill for years.


The members will shop there, in hopes of seeing a GA and in hopes that their neighbors will see them.

Nothing has changed; the money, and the ability to help millions of people, is gone down the well of selfishness and greed.
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Re: City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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Nothing like the ACTUAL truth contrary to anti-mormon feel good to them bigoted lies....

City Creek Mall

by Cassandra Hedelius on March 30th, 2012

Salt Lake City, Utah, was founded by leaders and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1847, as they arrived after a difficult overland trek to escape religious persecution. Over time, the church has grown from a small, regional group to a world-wide, thriving major religion. Likewise, the city has grown into a major center of commerce and industry, with residents of many religions. Despite the broadened scope of each, a special relationship between the Church and its headquarter city remains.

Salt Lake City has faced many of the challenges common to cities: upper-income flight to the suburbs, aging infrastructure, an influx of low-income residents with heavier claims on public services, decreased economic vitality, and increased crime. Like many cities, Salt Lake City has sought to attract businesses in order to provide jobs for residents and prevent the degradation of the city environment.

The Church has shared the city’s concern for economic vitality, both out of concern for the residents’ livelihoods and because of the Church’s downtown Temple Square which attracts thousands of visitors annually. Were Salt Lake City to suffer urban decay, these visitors would be affected.

In recent years the area around Temple Square in Salt Lake City looked likely to suffer exactly that fate. Many businesses had moved to other areas of the city and the area was becoming run down, decreasing the quality of life for residents.

The Church has responded in two ways. First, through its Inner City Project, the Church has assigned service missionaries to provide job training, transportation, and other help to inner-city Salt Lake City residents. The hope is that the city environment will benefit from residents who are less plagued by joblessness, health troubles, and feeling hopeless to rise economically. Second, the Church has invested in the City Creek Mall as an economic development project, in hopes that the construction and other jobs will provide opportunity for residents and that the new infrastructure will stave off urban decay.

Some criticize the Church for its investment, judging that the funds could have been better spent elsewhere. (The total estimated cost of the project is $1.5 billion; it is not known how this was shared between the church and its development partner, The Taubman Company.) These criticisms ignore the merits of the Church’s strategy-the City Creek Center addresses the roots of urban decay, and the Inner City Project addresses its symptoms. There are many places in the world with greater need-and the Church’s humanitarian programs commit significant resources to them-but the Church shouldn’t be condemned for helping its own neighbors in the city to which it has special historical ties.

Whatever funds the Church spent on City Creek did not come from member tithes; the funds came from returns on Church properties and investments. The Church owns these assets from the happy historical accident of acquiring them many decades ago and prudent management since then.

by Cassandra Hedelius

http://www.fairblog.org/2012/03/30/city-creek-mall/

I like also the discussion how Cassandra kicks some anti-mormon butt!!!

Anti-mormon "assumptions" about the Church are just that, their perverted minds, not actual reality and fact of the Church doing anything wrong, no matter the claim.
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Re: City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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ldsfaqs wrote:
Anti-mormon "assumptions" about the Church are just that, their perverted minds, not actual reality and fact of the Church doing anything wrong, no matter the claim.


So you don't believe in the Book of Mormon?

2 Nephi 28

12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.


Mormon 8

36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of cvery fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.

38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye aashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that bmisery which never dies—because of the cpraise of the world?

39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?

40 Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain, and cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground, for vengeance upon your heads?

41 Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you; and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.
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Re: City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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ldsfaqs wrote:In recent years the area around Temple Square in Salt Lake City looked likely to suffer exactly that fate. Many businesses had moved to other areas of the city and the area was becoming run down, decreasing the quality of life for residents.

The Church has responded in two ways. First, through its Inner City Project, the Church has assigned service missionaries to provide job training, transportation, and other help to inner-city Salt Lake City residents. The hope is that the city environment will benefit from residents who are less plagued by joblessness, health troubles, and feeling hopeless to rise economically. Second, the Church has invested in the City Creek Mall as an economic development project, in hopes that the construction and other jobs will provide opportunity for residents and that the new infrastructure will stave off urban decay.


City environment will benefit from residents who are LESS plagued? LESS?

Choice words.

Here is a pic of Jesus tossing the jobless, those with health troubles and hopeless feelings from the mall:

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Re: City Creek, the Great and Spacious

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ldsfaqs,

Well, I have to commend your loyalty at least. Defending the indefensible, justifying the truly offensive.
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