The FUTURE State of Deseret?

[_Tobin]

Yes, I've heard this delusional thinking before. Instead of focusing on being good kind "Christians", many TBMs focus on being insular, exclusionary, and embrace these "nutjob" end-of-the-world scenarios. They have this illusion about how correct the state of the Church (and state of the leadership) is and feel if only they could take over, they would set things right. I dread any day in which the current leadership of the Mormon Church takes over and it would be an unmitigated disaster.

What do you think would happen?

Religious persecution and intolerance of other ideas would become prevalent. A collective group-think would take over and it would be a communist/iranian state. And having a bunch of TBMs in-charge that believe in non-sense like this, imaginary gold-mines, and so on is NEVER a good idea.

[_Drifting]

Another thing my friend mentioned was that, outside of Deseret, the rest of the country would be at war with each other, or something like that. And that anyone who wanted to escape the chaos in the rest of the country would have to "flee to Zion", meaning the future country of "Deseret".

If you exclude the treasure stuff, your friend is reflecting what has been taught and spoken about in the Church for years. There was a period when European members were encouraged to relocate to 'Zion' which, at that period, was in America.
Zion is now deemed to be where your home is. In effect, where the members are, Zion is also. This change of policy came after it dawned on the leaders how much it would cost to sustain all the members if they moved en masse to one location.

[_Carton]

I have only heard such crazy talk in the context of a gathering at Adam-Ondi-Ahman, NOT a future state of Deseret.

(My county is gray on the map...super)

He did say that, eventually, Deseret would be the "launching point" for the "redemption of Zion". That Deseret would send armies to reclaim "the center place of Zion" and build the temple in Jackson County, Missouri in preparation for the second coming.

[_Carton]

Another thing my friend mentioned was that, outside of Deseret, the rest of the country would be at war with each other, or something like that. And that anyone who wanted to escape the chaos in the rest of the country would have to "flee to Zion", meaning the future country of "Deseret".

If you exclude the treasure stuff, your friend is reflecting what has been taught and spoken about in the Church for years. There was a period when European members were encouraged to relocate to 'Zion' which, at that period, was in America.
Zion is now deemed to be where your home is. In effect, where the members are, Zion is also. This change of policy came after it dawned on the leaders how much it would cost to sustain all the members if they moved en masse to one location.

I have never heard, in all my years in the church, anything about a future state/country of Deseret. He (my friend) seems to believe there is some kind of prophecy from Brigham Young or Heber Kimball that, even though Congress rejected Deseret when it was first proposed, it would still "come to pass" in the future. I've never heard of any such prophecy.

[_Tobin]

Carton, it takes a special kind of person to imagine world-domination by the Mormon Church and wishing for the end of the US (and the horrible consequences that would be involved in that). I am certain there are TBMs that believe this end-of-the-world non-sense and I just think it is as ridiculous (and ALARMING) as you do. I'm Mormon and try each day to be kind to people I run into, pay my bills, and work at my job. I don't know what it takes be so broken in your head to dream of world conquest like this, but I'd be concerned about anyone close to me that expressed such ideas. They clearly are one knock to the head from completely losing it and doing harm to themselves or the people around them.

[_aranyborju]

I have only heard such crazy talk in the context of a gathering at Adam-Ondi-Ahman, NOT a future state of Deseret.

(My county is gray on the map...super)

He did say that, eventually, Deseret would be the "launching point" for the "redemption of Zion". That Deseret would send armies to reclaim "the center place of Zion" and build the temple in Jackson County, Missouri in preparation for the second coming.

Interesting. Well lets hope that they don't find all of that Nephite gold too quickly, or else the market will be flooded, and all of these cash for gold investments will get turned upside down.

[_Drifting]

From Wiki, 'Zion (LDS)'

In one interpretation, Zion refers to a specific location to which members of the millennial church are to be gathered together to live. Stipulated by what is believed by the Latter-day Saints to be the revelation of Joseph Smith, Jr. (D&C 57:1-5), this is said to be located in Jackson County, Missouri and its county seat, the city of Independence, Missouri.

[_Tator]

(My county is gray on the map...super)

No gray for me my county is real dark .....it sucks.

[_moksha]

I think I would choose Deseret over Cascadia or the Duchy of Denver, however, I fear succession in such turbulent times would not go smoothly. There would be many claiming to be the one "mighty and strong", plus Deseret would have the world's preponderance of conservative nut-jobs. The place would probably be a real shooting match - even worse than Texarkania.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Oh, he also was telling me about some secret gold mine that the Church has that supposedly has more gold in it than is currently held in the treasuries of all the countries on the earth! He said some people believe it contains all the gold from the ancient Jaredite and Nephite treasuries------like thousands of tons of pure gold!

Wow! I wish I knew where to find just a few gold bars from that cache! Surely they wouldn't miss just a few bars.

Oh dear god.

He must be talking about the "Dream Mine" or "Relief Mine".

It is was a scam back then, yet many members still believe it is real.

http://blogs.standard.net/the-political ... -faithful/

http://mormonexpression.com/2009/11/24/ ... ream-mine/

http://www.reliefmine.com/

http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapte ... mmine.html


If your friend really believes in this he is a grade A wacko.