Conscientious Alternative to Mormonism

[_KevinSim]

Dude, if you think you have to solve that problem before your life will have meaning, you'll just have to live a life with no meaning, conscientious or not.

Lulu, you're such a pessimist! Humanity has accomplished incredible things in
its past, and here you see an obstacle to our survival, and you just throw up
your hands in despair? Have some faith in the adaptability of the species to
its environment.

[_Themis]

You've been given more than adequate responses to your question. The fact that you still refuse to accept these reasonable alternatives means that you are simply not able, at this point in your life, to accept that such alternatives exist.

Beastie, point me to one single post someone's made explaining an alternative to Mormonism that involves working toward preserving forever some good things. When you have done that, then you will have shown me that I've "been given more than adequate responses to" my question. If an alternative doesn't work toward the preservation, forever, of some good things, then how can it really be conscientious?

So your thread has been pointless. It's all based on whether the church is true or not. It also demonstrates how naïve or ignorant you are. People have given you alternatives(if you want to call them that), and they are many, and they have been going on as long as humans have existed. What do you think people are trying to do. We can't live forever so we have children and take care of them. If we are smart we try to take care of the world around us so that we can better ensure their survival. That you don't want to see that these things have never been alternatives, but have been mainstream all along is your problem. I suppose maybe the church can be blamed to some degree, but then I think most member's would not make the same mistake you are.

In fact what the church thinks it's doing is the same as others in religion and out are doing. The only problem is that since the church is not true, members are wasting time and resources on things that do no good for humanity, like temple work and trying to convince people of beliefs that are not true. How much more good could I have done, and all other missionaries, if we had spent our time helping the poor and needy, instead of trying to baptize them. How much more do elderly people outside of the church do by helping others in this world that LDS elderly don't have as much time to do because they are asked to put in many hours at the temples?

[_Aristotle Smith]

Folks, this is Kevin's schtick. He does this all over the place. I already went through this with him in celestial. He tried it on another blog that is focused on LDS/Evangelical conversations. It's always the same thing. It's a game to him. His opening gambit is to always say the thinks the LDS church is true, but that he's open to exploring other possibilities. People try and honestly respond to the initial post because it sounds promising and he sounds sincere. What follows is a never ending exercise in goal post moving, ignoring responses, and saying he's really satisfied with the LDS church and that nothing else comes close (thus making his initial gambit false). He also for some reason has an absolute fetish with italics and especially bold italics. If you really want to waste your time, continue by all means talking to Kevin on this subject.

[_MsJack]

Folks, this is Kevin's schtick. He does this all over the place. I already went through this with him in celestial. He tried it on another blog that is focused on LDS/Evangelical conversations. It's always the same thing. It's a game to him. His opening gambit is to always say the thinks the LDS church is true, but that he's open to exploring other possibilities. People try and honestly respond to the initial post because it sounds promising and he sounds sincere. What follows is a never ending exercise in goal post moving, ignoring responses, and saying he's really satisfied with the LDS church and that nothing else comes close (thus making his initial gambit false). He also for some reason has an absolute fetish with italics and especially bold italics. If you really want to waste your time, continue by all means talking to Kevin on this subject.

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[_LDSToronto]

Folks, this is Kevin's schtick. He does this all over the place. I already went through this with him in celestial. He tried it on another blog that is focused on LDS/Evangelical conversations. It's always the same thing. It's a game to him. His opening gambit is to always say the thinks the LDS church is true, but that he's open to exploring other possibilities. People try and honestly respond to the initial post because it sounds promising and he sounds sincere. What follows is a never ending exercise in goal post moving, ignoring responses, and saying he's really satisfied with the LDS church and that nothing else comes close (thus making his initial gambit false). He also for some reason has an absolute fetish with italics and especially bold italics. If you really want to waste your time, continue by all means talking to Kevin on this subject.

Thanks for the reminder. I do, now, recall running on this hamster wheel with Kevin in other threads. Too bad, because he brings up interesting subjects.

H.

[_KevinSim]

You are only kidding, right? The LDS Church is the antithesis of Zion. It is apostate to Zion.
Sanctimonious BS is LDS. It is to Zion what the Sadducees were to Christ. Pure Hypocrisy.

In Zion every heart has been cleansed. Every one stands independently before the Lord. All are taught of god. All have the best interests of the neighbor uppermost in their minds. These seek out ways to serve without letting the left hand know what the right hand doeth.

Every mind in Zion has been quickened by the power of God and collectively they are a glory to behold. The elements under their feet are sanctified. It is a holy place, where Christ is want to be.

Okay, perhaps I took the wrong approach with that last post.

I have heard Latter-day Saints speak of a condition they call Zion with as much longing and admiration as you have when you speak of what you call Zion. In both cases it's a sort of an ideal society, where everybody does the will of God. The LDS attitude is that God is going to use the LDS Church to eventually get us to a Zion society.

Nightlion, are you aware of a better way to prepare for Zion than by participation in the LDS Church? And if so, what is it?

[_KevinSim]

Folks, this is Kevin's schtick. He does this all over the place. I already went through this with him in celestial.

Aristotle, are you referring to the Celestial Forum here on this Mormon Discussions website? I was wondering if you might be right, if maybe you had already gone "through this with" me on that forum, so I went to the search utility and did a search on the Celestial Forum using "KevinSim" as the author. It didn't pick up any matches at all. So if you're not referring to the Mormon Discussions Celestial Forum, which forum are you referring to?

It's a game to him. His opening gambit is to always say the thinks the LDS church is true, but that he's open to exploring other possibilities. People try and honestly respond to the initial post because it sounds promising and he sounds sincere. What follows is a never ending exercise in goal post moving, ignoring responses, and saying he's really satisfied with the LDS church and that nothing else comes close (thus making his initial gambit false).

I won't pretend I don't enjoy posting to forums at Mormon Discussions and elsewhere. Sometimes it's almost like I get an adrenaline rush when I'm really, really involved in a discussion. But that doesn't mean I'm insincere. I really am "open to exploring other possibilities," but there need to be good reasons to believe those possibilities are really endorsed by God before I abandon the LDS Church and commit myself to them completely. Is that so unreasonable? And nobody has even come close to giving me good reasons to believe God endorses something other than the LDS Church.

[_MsJack]

Aristotle, are you referring to the Celestial Forum here on this Mormon Discussions website? I was wondering if you might be right, if maybe you had already gone "through this with" me on that forum, so I went to the search utility and did a search on the Celestial Forum using "KevinSim" as the author. It didn't pick up any matches at all. So if you're not referring to the Mormon Discussions Celestial Forum, which forum are you referring to?

It happened here. It was in the Terrestrial forum, not the Celestial.

You pulled the same schtick at LDS & Evangelical Conversations, here.

You've proven yourself unwilling to actually put non-Mormon epistemologies to the test, so there really isn't much point in going the rounds with you. And I do think you're being insincere. This all seems like some kind of round-about game to try and get non-Mormons to see the inadequacy of their epistemologies by posing as a sincere investigator of their religions (or lack thereof). But LDS epistemology ("go and ask God yourself") is itself seriously flawed.

And nobody has even come close to giving me good reasons to believe God endorses something other than the LDS Church.

Well, nobody has ever come close to giving me a good reason to believe God endorses the LDS church, so that makes us even.

[_Aristotle Smith]

It happened here. It was in the Terrestrial forum, not the Celestial.

I stand corrected.

[_Tchild]

but there need to be good reasons to believe those possibilities are really endorsed by God before I abandon the LDS Church and commit myself to them completely. Is that so unreasonable? And nobody has even come close to giving me good reasons to believe God endorses something other than the LDS Church.

Stick with what you have then. You want to be convinced something is better, or, that you have the best "truth" and that no matter what others present to you, you already have the superior thing?

For those who once practiced Mormonism, that is the mindset that was the most confining and limiting. At least to me it was. When you believe you have or know the truth, you close yourself off to all the variety and diversity that exists. That is a mental prison.

Stay there if you like. I don't think it would concern or bother anyone in the slightest.