Is homosexuality a choice?

[_Buffalo]

http://narth.com/2011/10/2061/

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 52#preview

http://books.google.com/books?id=jKPWSs ... &q&f=false

This is like answering a CFR about Bigfoot and using http://www.bigfootisreal.com in response. But I think we all knew you couldn't come up with a credible source to support your position.

[_Brackite]

Nice try Brackite.

Marriage should not be viewed as a therapeutic step to solve problems such as homosexual inclinations or behavior. OCP GBH April Conf. 1987 Priesthood Address made at the request of ETB Ensign May 1987 http://www.LDS.org/ensign/1987/05/rever ... y?lang=eng

bcspace's OCP computer is hanging up. Reboot.

Here is that quote in more context:

The Lord has proclaimed that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and is intended to be an eternal relationship bonded by trust and fidelity. Latter-day Saints, of all people, should marry with this sacred objective in mind. Marriage should not be viewed as a therapeutic step to solve problems such as homosexual inclinations or practices, which first should clearly be overcome with a firm and fixed determination never to slip to such practices again.

All right, if I am reading this right, a man should not get married if he has not repented of any homosexual inclinations and practices that he had in his lifetime. That sounds right. However, what if a man has never had any homosexual practices in his lifetime? What if that man has had only homosexual inclinations in his lifetime, and he told his Bishop about them? Would that Bishop have still counseled him to get married to a woman? Back in the 80's and 90's, Bishops did counsel men who had homosexual inclinations to get married. Please See: viewtopic.php?p=263922#p263922

LDS Apostle Dallin H. Oaks stated back in 1993:

Our concept of marriage is motivated by revealed truth, not by worldly sociology. The Apostle Paul taught “neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord” (1 Cor. 11:11). President Spencer W. Kimball explained, “Without proper and successful marriage, one will never be exalted” (Marriage and Divorce, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1976, p. 24).

According to custom, men are expected to take the initiative in seeking marriage. That is why President Joseph F. Smith directed his prophetic pressure at men. He said, “No man who is marriageable is fully living his religion who remains unmarried” (Gospel Doctrine, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1939, p. 275). We hear of some worthy LDS men in their thirties who are busy accumulating property and enjoying freedom from family responsibilities without any sense of urgency about marriage. Beware, brethren. You are deficient in a sacred duty.

(Link: http://www.LDS.org/ensign/1993/11/the-g ... s?lang=eng )



However, I don't think that Bishops in 2012 still counsel men with homosexual inclinations to get married.

[_lulu]

repented of any homosexual inclinations

Have you repented of your hetrosexual inclinations, Brackite?

[_Droopy]

Any loving is good loving.

Agree. Sex is like pizza--even when it's not that great it's still pretty good.

Nice cross between Nietzsche and Hefner. Hopefully, however, this is an evolutionary dead end.

[_Brackite]

repented of any homosexual inclinations

Have you repented of your hetrosexual inclinations, Brackite?

NOPE!!! And I don't believe that a man having any homosexual inclinations is considered a sin.

[_Milesius]

http://narth.com/2011/10/2061/

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 52#preview

http://books.google.com/books?id=jKPWSs ... &q&f=false

This is like answering a CFR about Bigfoot and using http://www.bigfootisreal.com in response. But I think we all knew you couldn't come up with a credible source to support your position.

No, it is not. Whatever its limitations, the work of Jones and Yarhouse is not equivalent to the speculations of Bigfoot enthusiasts. Incidentally, I do not think reparative therapy is successful in most cases and, moreover, the potential for harm is cause for concern. (Not because I think homoerotic acts are acceptable but because in the great majority of cases reparative therapy sets people up for failure.)

[_Milesius]

Yes. The APA is the American Psychological Association in this case. It has its full name in the link you didn't click if you weren't aware of that.

No. Psychology is not science, in the sense of the natural or hard sciences, and it represents numerous theories and therapeutic modalities that could not possible be called "science" by any stretch of the imagination.

"Psychology" encompasses quite a bit, and the only truly empirical scientific endeavors within it - biological psychology, experimental psychology etc., - cannot tell us about the "cause" of SSA, for the reasons I've been elucidating for years here.

Psychology does not have the same sort of epistemological footing as chemistry or physics, that much is correct. And, of course, mathematicians and statisticians are even higher up on the great chain of being.