Ratio Of Male To Female In The Celestial Kingdom?

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Drifting wrote:Here is the official Church doctrine on the matter...

 4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

 5 For all who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the law which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.

 6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.


Not only is it doctrine, but once you've read this scripture you are commanded to live polygamously or you will be damned!
You've all been warned........

Ohnoes! O_o
I'm double damned! I've never even had one wife.

I need to spend less time here at MD and posting quotes like this in the comments under the stories about Romney at news sites so more folks are aware just how gawddam rediculous moism is.

The American public needs to be inoculated against the risk of being converted to the idiotic nonsense that is Mormonism. ~_-
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Sons of perdition: 200 billion
Children of HF and HM: 600 billion

Body bound children:
Females: 400 billion
Males: 200 billion

Ck bound children:
25% of all God's children that chose Jesus in the pre-mortal life.

Females: 100 billion
Males: 50 billion

HF likes to use females for angels and maid servants so not all will get married. Plus, a lot of these women are fairly independent.
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Nomomo wrote:Ohnoes! O_o
I'm double damned! I've never even had one wife.
~_-

An old joke:
Kohn:
- "What is polygamy?"
Gruen:
- "When one has surplus wife."
K:
- "Then I am polygamist."
G:
- "As far as I know, you have only one!"
K:
- "Yes, that`s just it"
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Nomomo wrote:Anyone have any estimates?

My mega-TBM friend has told me several times that there will be many times more women than men in the CK, and that's why it will be necessary to have polygamy there. He often talks about polygamy around his wife. She has a pained look on her face every time he does it. He, on the other hand, talks about his future polygamy prospects with a twinkle in his eyes and a lump in his pants.

Do any of you know TBM men who believe they'll have multiple wives in the CK, and who talk about it with their wife? Whenever I mention polygamy to my wife, she warns me to stop or I'll be sleeping on the couch for a month. I doubt there are many TBM women who are enthusiastic about living polygamy in the eternities.
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Carton wrote:Do any of you know TBM men who believe they'll have multiple wives in the CK,


All of them. I used to believe it too.

Carton wrote: and who talk about it with their wife?

Nope. That is a huge no-no.

I remember talking to my super TBM mom about this when I was younger, and was shocked to hear her say that she'd be damned before my dad got another woman assigned to him in the CK.

I believe that my dad's response (out of the hearing of my mom) was that in the CK we would have a perfect understanding and that no one would be offended by it.
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aranyborju wrote:
Carton wrote: and who talk about it with their wife?

Nope. That is a huge no-no.

It isn't for this friend of mine. He claims that his wife "is cool with it". But when I saw him talking about it in front of her she didn't seem so "cool with it" to me. She said something like: "I just remind him that it's not permitted right now, and I doubt he'll have to worry about it in this life, so I don't see much point in shopping around. It remains to be seen if he'll have to worry about it in any future life. I won't worry about it until then."

I especially remember the "shopping around" dig. She drove that one home real good.

I remember talking to my super TBM mom about this when I was younger, and was shocked to hear her say that she'd be damned before my dad got another woman assigned to him in the CK.

Yeah, I've heard sentiments like that quite a bit. When my friend's wife ever says anything like that, she gets called "Emma".

I believe that my dad's response (out of the hearing of my mom) was that in the CK we would have a perfect understanding and that no one would be offended by it.

Hum ... that's an interesting one. What do you suppose he means by "perfect understanding"? Of what? What does "perfect understanding" mean in the context of adding more women into the intimacy of marriage?

When he says "no one would be offended" by this "perfect understanding" of being married to multiple women, what he really must mean is that none of the women would have cause to be "offended by it", because I really don't believe many of the men going into such an arrangement would be too offended by it, at least not at the beginning. (tic) Most men would be willing to make the "sacrifice" of "doing their duty" in the Kingdom.

Anyway, it would be interesting to have him more fully explain what he means by "perfect understanding" and how women in the celestial kingdom will suddenly get it once they pass through the pearly gates.
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Carton wrote:Hum ... that's an interesting one. What do you suppose he means by "perfect understanding"? Of what? What does "perfect understanding" mean in the context of adding more women into the intimacy of marriage?

When he says "no one would be offended" by this "perfect understanding" of being married to multiple women, what he really must mean is that none of the women would have cause to be "offended by it", because I really don't believe any of the men going into such an arrangement would be too offended by it, at least not at the beginning. (tic) They'd all be willing to make the "sacrifice" of "doing their duty" in the Kingdom.

Anyway, it would be interesting to have him more fully explain what he means by "perfect understanding" and how women in the celestial kingdom will suddenly get it once they pass through the pearly gates.


Oh my dad used to throw that around all the time. Whenever I would ask about a doctrine that didn't make sense or something like that he would always tell me that once we pass to the other side of the veil and enter into the celestial kingdom, we would see things the way Heavenly Father sees them, and we won't have the questions/qualms that we have here while we are on the Earth.
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I think the logical conclusion to polygamy/polyandry/sealings following the way Joseph Smith practiced them; men sealed to women already married, men sealed to men, men to women, is that in the highest degree of the CK everyone is sealed to everyone. If you make it there you can have your pick...... ;) so the ratio may approach 1:1.

See here for the LDS anarchist's thoughts on the topic http://www.fastpencil.com/projects/2290 ... rchy-Model

Makes sense in light of how you may be preempted out of your wives and kids by someone further up the food chain.
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SteelHead wrote:I think the logical conclusion to polygamy/polyandry/sealings following the way Joseph Smith practiced them; men sealed to women already married, men sealed to men, men to women, is that in the highest degree of the CK everyone is sealed to everyone. If you make it there you can have your pick...... ;) so the ratio may approach 1:1.

Makes sense in light of how you may be preempted out of your wives and kids by someone further up the food chain.

I hadn't thought of that. For all we know, Smith will swoop up all of our wives, disqualifying us for the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom, and we will all spend eternity in the Celestial Kingdom as servants to Joseph and his harem of our former wives. :cry:
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aranyborju wrote:
SteelHead wrote:I think the logical conclusion to polygamy/polyandry/sealings following the way Joseph Smith practiced them; men sealed to women already married, men sealed to men, men to women, is that in the highest degree of the CK everyone is sealed to everyone. If you make it there you can have your pick...... ;) so the ratio may approach 1:1.

Makes sense in light of how you may be preempted out of your wives and kids by someone further up the food chain.

I hadn't thought of that. For all we know, Smith will swoop up all of our wives, disqualifying us for the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom, and we will all spend eternity in the Celestial Kingdom as servants to Joseph and his harem of our former wives. :cry:

Not to worry. We'll all have a "perfect understanding" so we won't be "offended by it" at all. We'll all be happy as hell to be there.
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