Gladys Knight will not vote for Mitt Romney

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Re: Gladys Knight will not vote for Mitt Romney

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sock puppet wrote:I'd say it's more head-up-its-ass denial than center right or right wing.

Sock Puppet and I agree that the LDS Church is not right wing! :lol:
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I'm a life long Democrat, Mormon and voted for Obama and Harry Reid. I look forward to voting for Obama again too. So the faqs/bc version of Mormonism that may exist in some circles does not exist in general for all Mormons.
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From the salon article:

“Mitt Romney is having a terrible impact on how we are perceived,” explained Brigham Young University law student Marshall Thompson, a former intern to Orrin Hatch, an Iraq vet and a faithful Mormon — the type of person, in other words, you’d expect to be part of Romney’s base. “I’m told he’s a very nice person in real life,” Thompson continues, “but he comes across as out-of-touch, materialistic and disingenuous.”


Not only that, but Romney is developing a serious reputation as a world-class liar. Every time I read yet another article talking about how readily Romney lies, I wonder how LDS are going to feel about the first serious LDS candidate for president is seen as such a rampant liar, he even eclipses the normal lies politicians tell.

Just one mind-boggling example: Romney's ad that pretended Obama said "if we keep talking about the economy, we'll lose" as if he were talking about himself and his own campaign, when he was quoting the McCain campaign. Now that's some whopper!

And after being RECORDED saying Obama made the economy worse a gazillion times, he turns around and denies ever saying it?

Bizarre. I do admit the phrase "Lyin' for the Lord" has occurred to me once or twice.
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Tobin wrote:I'm a life long Democrat, Mormon and voted for Obama and Harry Reid. I look forward to voting for Obama again too. So the faqs/bc version of Mormonism that may exist in some circles does not exist in general for all Mormons.


You don't count for the likes of faq, bcspace and droopy. I've used the example of my faithful, temple-worthy, mission-serving parents as well. They are adamant democrats, and use the Book of Mormon to justify their preference for that party.

In one ear and out the other.
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beastie wrote:
Tobin wrote:I'm a life long Democrat, Mormon and voted for Obama and Harry Reid. I look forward to voting for Obama again too. So the faqs/bc version of Mormonism that may exist in some circles does not exist in general for all Mormons.


You don't count for the likes of faq, bcspace and droopy. I've used the example of my faithful, temple-worthy, mission-serving parents as well. They are adamant democrats, and use the Book of Mormon to justify their preference for that party.

In one ear and out the other.


I get the impression that faq/BCSpace/Droppy would prefer that your parents were not part of their church. They could also point to the fact that you, your parent's daughter, are now a critic as proof that being a Democrat-mormon is a dangerous thing.
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Re: Gladys Knight will not vote for Mitt Romney

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DarkHelmet wrote:
I get the impression that faq/BCSpace/Droppy would prefer that your parents were not part of their church. They could also point to the fact that you, your parent's daughter, are now a critic as proof that being a Democrat-mormon is a dangerous thing.


I'm sure you're right. Yet I would put their faithfulness and loyalty to the church up against these posters any day, and feel certain my parents would win.

I think my parents were deeply affected by growing up during the depression - and growing up very poor, especially my father. My mother's family wasn't much better off, but at least she didn't have to eat pepper sandwiches for lunch. My parents have been very successful in life, but they have never forgotten what it's like to really struggle, and to be hungry. They can't stand the judgmental attitude so many in the church have toward the poor, as if they're poor because they're weak, slothful, or outright sinful. Throughout his life, my father has given his time and money towards their local "soup kitchen", so to speak, and knows that most of these people are decent folks who have hit some bad patches in life.
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beastie wrote:I've used the example of my faithful, temple-worthy, mission-serving parents as well. They are adamant democrats, and use the Book of Mormon to justify their preference for that party.

Harry Reid appealed to the Book of Mormon to support his views too, in his BYU devotional. He did a good job of pointing out that there's room in the LDS Church for all sorts of different political viewpoints, and that we shouldn't assume the scriptures and the Church support just one political viewpoint and one only.
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Re: Gladys Knight will not vote for Mitt Romney

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KevinSim wrote:
beastie wrote:I've used the example of my faithful, temple-worthy, mission-serving parents as well. They are adamant democrats, and use the Book of Mormon to justify their preference for that party.

Harry Reid appealed to the Book of Mormon to support his views too, in his BYU devotional. He did a good job of pointing out that there's room in the LDS Church for all sorts of different political viewpoints, and that we shouldn't assume the scriptures and the Church support just one political viewpoint and one only.



On this point, I would highly recommend reading Chris Smith's fascinating article on one of the most important theologians in LDS history, a man whose scriptural scholarship and devotion to Mormonism led to the conclusion that "right winged" politics prove inconsistent with the Gospel of Christ:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromo ... ris-smith/

If a man as brilliant as B.H. Roberts, who knew LDS history and scripture as well as he did, felt socialism and leftist political views were consistent with Mormonism, it seems silly for Droppy, BC Space, LDSfaqs, et. al. to suggest otherwise.
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Re: Gladys Knight will not vote for Mitt Romney

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Not only that, but Romney is developing a serious reputation as a world-class liar.


Politics is very polarizing. One person's liar is another person's truth teller. But Ann Romney would make a great first lady. She has a great message to tell and she is an example of overcoming adversity.
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Enuma Elish wrote:
If a man as brilliant as B.H. Roberts, who knew LDS history and scripture as well as he did, felt socialism and leftist political views were consistent with Mormonism, it seems silly for Droppy, BC Space, LDSfaqs, et. al. to suggest otherwise.


Within Mormonism there are some socialist principles. But it would not support a socialist ideology. And the early Mormons were far from being socialistic. They had private property on the brain which is why the united order did not succeed very well. Plus, although they tended to look out for each other, this does not mean that they would have liked Jacksonian democracy to go away, to be replaced with forms of utopian socialism.
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