Mark Twain, Adam Savage, Jamie Hyneman, Keira Knightley, Stephen Hawking, Bill Maher, John Lennon, Ricky Gervais, Juilann Moore, Keanu Reeves, Bill Shatner, Johnny Depp, Janeane Garofalo, James Cameron, Billy Joel, Jack Nicholson, John Malkovich, Helen Mirren, Richard Branson, Ian McKellan, Albert Einstein, Brad Pitt, Daniel Radcliffe, Jodie Foster, Hugh Laurie, Lance Armstrong, George Carlin, Morgan Freeman, Fred Armisen, Angelina Jolie, Penn Jillette, Raymond Joseph Teller, Dylan Moran, Patton Oswalt, Seth Green, Norm MacDonald, Eddie Izzard, Cillian Murphy, Jeremy Clarkson, and George Clooney.
Hmm, it seems they missed listing what looks like Gene Wilder, between A. Jolie and Penn Jillette. One of my fav evildoers from the old days.
Buffalo wrote:What you were saying is he's pretending to not believe. I'm saying let's not try to read other people's minds.
Pep pep!
Another delightfully ironic statement by Buffalo--and again he doesn't even realize it. No I didn't say he was pretending not to believe. Point is clear--he and I aren't so far apart as he and you would like to paint it.
stemelbow wrote:You remind me of Joseph Smith. Maybe you're not as big an unbeliever as you like to posture.
Posture Verb, 1. posture - behave affectedly or unnaturally in order to impress others; "Don't pay any attention to him--he is always posing to impress his peers!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Early Judaism had no concept of Hell, though the concept of an afterlife was introduced during the Hellenic period, apparently from neighboring Hellenistic religions. It occurs for example in Book of Daniel. Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but originally a grave and in later times a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on one's life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life. The Kabbalah explains it as a "waiting room" (commonly translated as an "entry way") for all souls (not just the wicked). The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 12 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception. Some consider it a spiritual forge where the soul is purified for its eventual ascent to Olam Habah (heb. עולם הבא; lit. "The world to come", often viewed as analogous to Heaven). This is also mentioned in the Kabbalah, where the soul is described as breaking, like the flame of a candle lighting another: the part of the soul that ascends being pure and the "unfinished" piece being reborn.
According to Jewish teachings, hell is not entirely physical; rather, it can be compared to a very intense feeling of shame. People are ashamed of their misdeeds and this constitutes suffering which makes up for the bad deeds. When one has so deviated from the will of God, one is said to be in gehinom. This is not meant to refer to some point in the future, but to the very present moment. The gates of teshuva (return) are said to be always open, and so one can align his will with that of God at any moment. Being out of alignment with God's will is itself a punishment according to the Torah.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Early Judaism had no concept of Hell, though the concept of an afterlife was introduced during the Hellenic period, apparently from neighboring Hellenistic religions. It occurs for example in Book of Daniel. Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but originally a grave and in later times a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on one's life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life. The Kabbalah explains it as a "waiting room" (commonly translated as an "entry way") for all souls (not just the wicked). The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 12 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception. Some consider it a spiritual forge where the soul is purified for its eventual ascent to Olam Habah (heb. עולם הבא; lit. "The world to come", often viewed as analogous to Heaven). This is also mentioned in the Kabbalah, where the soul is described as breaking, like the flame of a candle lighting another: the part of the soul that ascends being pure and the "unfinished" piece being reborn.
According to Jewish teachings, hell is not entirely physical; rather, it can be compared to a very intense feeling of shame. People are ashamed of their misdeeds and this constitutes suffering which makes up for the bad deeds. When one has so deviated from the will of God, one is said to be in gehinom. This is not meant to refer to some point in the future, but to the very present moment. The gates of teshuva (return) are said to be always open, and so one can align his will with that of God at any moment. Being out of alignment with God's will is itself a punishment according to the Torah.
Doesn't quite meet the demands of the CFR. Nice try though.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:Posture Verb, 1. posture - behave affectedly or unnaturally in order to impress others; "Don't pay any attention to him--he is always posing to impress his peers!
And it does seem to be an effort to impress others here to try and drive the wedge between believer and unbeliever deeper. Just sayin'. Sorry you missed my point. Peace to you.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:It certainly does, Stem! My goodness! You're just never happy, always so negative! I showed you where hell came from.
I'm happy. I just call it like I see it from time to time. No you didn't show me that the concept of hell originated in the mind's of men. Indeed you showed me nothing of the sort. It was a good sneaky try though.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:It certainly does, Stem! My goodness! You're just never happy, always so negative! I showed you where hell came from.
I'm happy. I just call it like I see it from time to time. No you didn't show me that the concept of hell originated in the mind's of men. Indeed you showed me nothing of the sort. It was a good sneaky try though.
I showed you that Hebrews copied the idea from Hellenistic religions later in their history. Perhaps you think Greek Mythology did not originate in the minds of men. In which case, you should join Zeez in his Athena worship.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:Posture Verb, 1. posture - behave affectedly or unnaturally in order to impress others; "Don't pay any attention to him--he is always posing to impress his peers!
And it does seem to be an effort to impress others here to try and drive the wedge between believer and unbeliever deeper. Just sayin'. Sorry you missed my point. Peace to you.
Perhaps you'd like to take back your characterization of his beliefs as "posturing"?
Not trying to be mean, just sayin.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
