Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men leer

[_zeezrom]

You know what is so sad about Joseph Fielding Smith? Just at the very time women's fashion started to become amazing, he calls it "abominable, audacious, and infamous". How wrong could he ever be!

Joseph's other nemesis, Madeleine Vionnet, was also ridding our world of restrictive clothing with more draping styles.


Madeleine Vionnet dress, 1914.

[_why me]

If it is, indeed, possible for you to achieve this concept of "admiring rather than lusting", then why should it matter what a young woman wears in your presence?

Because clothing brings out responses. If a woman wears modest attractive clothing, they are more likely to get the admiring response. If the women wears pornish styles, they are more likely to get the lust response. It is that simple.

What response would you want your daughters to elicit? And would you teach your daughters modesty in dress?

[_bcspace]

ARGH! Here is a fantastic example of the message that is routinely sent to the females of the LDS church.

Not doctrine being published by BYU and not the Church. However, I'm willing to bet you'll find similar in Church published works. But your complaint is non sequitur as both males and females are expected to dress modestly in the Church.

[_zeezrom]

"pornish style"

lol

[_asbestosman]

So, women should wear clothes were men need to control their thoughts?

English please.

Men and women need to wear clothes.

In our culture that is appropriate, yes. However, it is also proper in our culture for women to breastfeed in public. That does not make it ok to ogle her breasts. There are European cultures where it is appropriate for women to go the beach topless. That also does not make it ok to ogle her. People can and do learn to control their responses in culturally appropriate ways.

On campus, where young men have hormones running amok, it is best not to wear clothing that may give the young men lustful thoughts. In fact, the feelings that women should want to convey are admiration and attraction.

Oh, those poor men who can't control their lustful thoughts. Thank goodness women can make up for those uncivilized brutes.

Let's try this again. Men may not be able to control their initial thoughts, but they can control their response to it. If men want to be attractive to attractive women, they should convey their feelings of admiration and attraction, not expect the women to control men's rudeness.

[_Bond James Bond]

I think Mormonism should transition toward a celibate priesthood. It's obvious that many Mormon men just can't handle any titillating activity or female contact and should retreat to monasteries to avoid contact with all women. Wade Englund should be in the vanguard.

[_bcspace]

I think most of you forget the differences between men and women and the different laws of attraction they have to live by. Sure there's extreme ends each way but that's all you seem to be addressing rather than admitting you fear to acknowledge the truthfulness of these principles.

I know I've been frank, but this is the kind of dress I am seeing on this campus, and it shouldn't be here. When a young man walks into a movie that's inappropriate, he can get up and leave. When he sees something unsuitable on the television channel, he can change the channel or turn off the TV. But when he has to sit behind or by the side of a young woman who is dressed immodestly in a class, there isn't a whole lot he can do. And a young man on this campus shouldn't have to "hum his favorite hymn" all day to chase out thoughts that he didn't intentionally invite, especially on a campus where we have all agreed that we will obey an honor and dress code by being chaste and virtuous and adhering to the guidelines in the pamphlet For the Strength of Youth.

Amen.

[_why me]

So, women should wear clothes were men need to control their thoughts?

English please.

I corrected the mistake.

[_why me]

I think Mormonism should transition toward a celibate priesthood. It's obvious that many Mormon men just can't handle any titillating activity or female contact and should retreat to monasteries to avoid contact with all women. Wade Englund should be in the vanguard.

Now this is nonsense. There is nothing wrong with modest dress. How would you want your daughters to dress in public?

[_Bond James Bond]

I think Mormonism should transition toward a celibate priesthood. It's obvious that many Mormon men just can't handle any titillating activity or female contact and should retreat to monasteries to avoid contact with all women. Wade Englund should be in the vanguard.

Now this is nonsense. There is nothing wrong with modest dress. How would you want your daughters to dress in public?

Your definition of modest and mine are probably different.