Jon Stewart on Romney and Mormonism

[_Droopy]

Frontpage has been around for a long time,

And has a lengthy history of dubious propaganda being all over it. You're better off citing something that links to the National Enquirer.

Which is to say you probably haven't spent more than two or three minutes their in the last 15 years, and most of what they argue and the positions they take are in strong disagreement with your faux libertarian leftist beliefs.

If if it was anything approximating the truth that Frontpage and the many experienced journalists, academics, and distinguished scholars who frequent its pages, symposia, and roundtable discussions, were engaging in "dubious propaganda," this would be no different than what the New York Times, Washington Post, Time, Newsweek, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN. NPR, Sixty Minutes, Prime Time Live, Good Morning American, The Today Show, Most other major dailies and television news maganizes, and this board, have been doing for a very long time.

[_Droopy]

Just checking, Droopy. Anyone who claims that W didn't use the threat of WMD as a justification for attacking Iraq may just believe, well, about any crazy old thing. I like to know exactly what kind of nut-bag I am dealing with in you. So, I thought I would ask.

I have little patience in the ongoing and futile project of educating vacuously ignorant leftists regarding long ago settled aspects of even the most recent history. The statement above is crystal clear evidence of the depth of such futility.

In point of fact, Bush never made WMD the centerpiece of his justification for going into Iraq (although a number of key liberal Democrats, who were all for regime change when Clinton was in office, seemed keenly aware of the WMD problem), but an aspect of the overall threat Saddam posed that could, if left unattended, become a clear and present threat in the future if not dealt with in the present. An eminently reasonable perspective.

I see no reason to engage your adolescent posturing and Olbermannesque fuming any longer.

[_Buffalo]

Try to control your knee-jerk reaction for 30 seconds, Droops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMStCHtUNeY

[_DarkHelmet]

Try to control your knee-jerk reaction for 30 seconds, Droops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMStCHtUNeY

Everyone knows that's why we invaded Iraq. You can argue the White House had bad intelligence, but that's the reason why we invaded. Why else would we invade a sovereign nation? You can't just invade countries for no reason. You can't say they might attack us one day, so we better attack them first. We needed a reason to justify an invasion, and that reason was WMD.

[_Droopy]

Try to control your knee-jerk reaction for 30 seconds, Droops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMStCHtUNeY

Everyone knows that's why we invaded Iraq. You can argue the White House had bad intelligence, but that's the reason why we invaded. Why else would we invade a sovereign nation? You can't just invade countries for no reason. You can't say they might attack us one day, so we better attack them first. We needed a reason to justify an invasion, and that reason was WMD.

Too bad there's no historical documentation to support your claim. There's a ton of it, however, to support what Bush and his administration actually said, and what congress and the U.N. approved.

[_DarkHelmet]

Too bad there's no historical documentation to support your claim. There's a ton of it, however, to support what Bush and his administration actually said, and what congress and the U.N. approved.

What threat could saddam pose to us without WMDs? There is no link to him and 9/11. The threat that he posed to us was because he was trying to create/or had in his possession WMDs. I didn't have a big problem with invading Iraq and getting rid of Saddam. I really thought he presented a threat to us. It turns out the intelligence was flawed. Oh well. Sucks to be Saddam.

[_Droopy]

What threat could saddam pose to us without WMDs?

We know he had them. He had already used them on several occasions. We also know that after the first Gulf War, he dismantled, scattered, and concealed his WMD programs for reconstitution at a later date.

There is no link to him and 9/11.

Bush and his administration never said there was (although the truth of the matter is that there does, indeed, appear to have been some link, not necessarily to 9/11 per se, but to al-Quaida, going all the way back to the time of the first World Trade Center bombing).

The threat that he posed to us was because he was trying to create/or had in his possession WMDs. I didn't have a big problem with invading Iraq and getting rid of Saddam. I really thought he presented a threat to us. It turns out the intelligence was flawed. Oh well. Sucks to be Saddam.

Which is exactly what I've claimed all along. However, the fact remains that this was not the primary rationale given by the Bush administration for invading and deposing Hussain.