THE LOC: What does.it cover.

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It's not an interpersonal relationship which is what Log originally asked about. But it does violate the LoCh.

Can you point to the scripture or revelation that is the basis for this idea? When was it voted on by the quorum?


Such is not the definition of doctrine. But since publication is, have you checked LDS.org?
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bcspace wrote:I will answer with the post I made before thread on MDD was closed. I'd say Minos is a prude but the rule does seem to be made to protect any young posters who might be watching so I'll give him a pass though I would not hesitate to say the same things to any young person in an interview:


The MDDB moderator mob strikes again. There seems to be more one can't discuss there than that which one can, at this point.
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"Spilling seed on the ground" got one man killed in the Bible, so I can see how that story and spilling seed could be a basis for a stance against masturbation.


Not a doctrinal one though that I can see. In that case, the sin was not raising up seed to his brother as the Lord commanded.

The MDDB moderator mob strikes again. There seems to be more one can't discuss there than that which one can, at this point.


I think the reason given is not unreasonable though I agree that yes, in other areas, that board falls well short.
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3sheets2thewind wrote:"Spilling seed on the ground" got one man killed in the Bible, so I can see how that story and spilling seed could be a basis for a stance against masturbation.


Yeah, but he was pulling out, not whacking off. God killed him for disobeying the order to impregnate his late brother's wife.

God did the same to some Levites for using the wrong incense.
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bcspace wrote:
Such is not the definition of doctrine. But since publication is, have you checked LDS.org?


We're informed that the revelation that stated polygamy would never end is invalid because it was never voted on. I'm just wondering when they voted on a masturbation revelation.
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In the past, certain sexual activities among married couples were considered in violation of the Law of Chastity. Now it seems they prefer not to weigh in on such things. I can definitely see the church moving towards a similar "don't ask don't tell" position on masturbation.


That is the de facto position though I myself, who was a youth in the 70's, have never been asked that question.

Look at how the attitude towards birth control has changed over time. It was once compared to murder. Now it's more like drinking caffeine.


While the term "birth control" was used, in that context it always seemed to me to be referring more to selfishly limiting family size rather than actual use of medication and devices though there were some specifics against those as well.

We're informed that the revelation that stated polygamy would never end is invalid because it was never voted on.


Not from any authoritative or doctrinal source.

I'm just wondering when they voted on a masturbation revelation.


There may never have been a vote or revelation. Just inspiration and agreement (noting that Christofferson just told us that unanimity is not the goal). Doesn't change the importance of doctrine though. It is what it is. I believe the more prurient among us unfortunately demand a specific statement on these kinds of subjects and the answer is always going (and must) to be it's wrong because you felt uncomfortable enough to ask.

Consider the fact that some of these answers were found only in the CHI. In other words, only if you asked your Bishop would you find out. Hence, don't ask don't tell.
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If anything you feel uncomfortable enough to ask about makes it wrong... Then there is no line, only neurosis.
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SteelHead wrote:If anything you feel uncomfortable enough to ask about makes it wrong... Then there is no line, only neurosis.



What?
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If asking about oral makes it wrong, for you but it is ok for others then there is no line, rather morality via neurosis. I feel uncomfortable with something hence it must be morally wrong. Light of Christ and what not being confused for cultural mores, traditions, upbringing.
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bcspace wrote:
Not from any authoritative or doctrinal source.


Since when is the prophet of the church receiving and writing down direct first person revelation from the Lord not authoritative or doctrinal?

Unless of course the church has apostatized from the Lord and the current presidents are not prophets. That's a valid alternative hypothesis, I grant you.
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