bcspace wrote:DCP's no longer a conservative? Ohhhhh Nooooo!
In his own communications with me at the MDDB in years past, and to others there, I remember him mentioning libertarian leanings. I've always taken him to be, like me, somewhat a cross between conservative and libertarian ideas, depending upon the issue.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Unless you are an apostate it is not possible for you to know how an apostate feels and truly understand what he no longer believes.
Is it apostasy if one used to believe in that Joseph Smith translated the plates by looking at them through the Urim and Thummin but now believes he did it with his face burred in a hat?
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Droopy wrote: I have not called for the excommunication of anyone, so I'm confused by the constant haranguing by critics here about it.
Droopy from the Dehlin thread wrote:Dehlin is an apostate from the Church. He has spent many years attacking, impuginng, and damning it.
So, to be sure I have this straight: you think Dehlin is an apostate who attacks, impugns, and damns the church, but you don't think he should be excommunicated? You think apostates should not be excommunicated? Interesting.
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
Fence Sitter wrote:Unless you are an apostate it is not possible for you to know how an apostate feels and truly understand what he no longer believes.
Is it apostasy if one used to believe in that Joseph Smith translated the plates by looking at them through the Urim and Thummin but now believes he did it with his face burred in a hat?
Leaving the church is no fun. I could have done without the trauma to my family, the despair and depression, and the loss of too many friends. But in the end, I have a clear conscience, and I'm happy in ways I never was in the church.
And frankly, if some of the folks here are examples of the believers, I'd rather be an apostate.
bcspace wrote:I thought it was an extra day off per week and a 10% raise. But I agree that the lifestyle and closed mind of the apostate is a quite a bummer.
I think Julia would perhaps be expecting much more from Santa's (and the United Order?) bag:
This is the Bokovoy version of providing the Lord's way, and I do imagine Sister Brooks would have little problem agreeing with the general tendency here.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
The process of apostasy sucks, but once you're out, life is pretty good.
If you're posting here or anywhere like it, you're not really out mentally.
I thought it was an extra day off per week and a 10% raise. But I agree that the lifestyle and closed mind of the apostate is a quite a bummer.
This made me literally LOL. Thanks for the laughs, bcspace.
You're welcome! I actually threaten people in my Stake with an extra day off and a 10% raise; jokingly of course.
In his own communications with me at the MDDB in years past, and to others there, I remember him mentioning libertarian leanings. I've always taken him to be, like me, somewhat a cross between conservative and libertarian ideas, depending upon the issue.
I'm going to hazard based on tacit agreement that he's more conservative and anti-Muslim than you think. His current Church associated employment prevents him from expressly speaking his mind, when he's posting as DCP that is.
Equality wrote:So, to be sure I have this straight: you think Dehlin is an apostate who attacks, impugns, and damns the church, but you don't think he should be excommunicated? You think apostates should not be excommunicated? Interesting.
What I find funny is that a lot of exmos despise John Dehlin because they think he gives cover for the church and keeps people in it.
That anyone would imagine John is a hardened anti-Mormon who attacks, impugns, and damns the church is ludicrous. Of course, I have to consider the source.
(Oh, and Droopy, I had a seminary teacher tell me that "bummer" is a bad word. You might wanna work on that.)
Must have been a Gen-Xer. Its a word from the sixties, and just means a bad experience.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Kevin Graham wrote:Don't you just love the way people who have never experienced apostasy, presume to know precisely what that experience is like?
Not what its precisely like, but that which is at its core and as to its effects, for which there are only a few general patterns. You are living proof of one of those general patterns of apostasy - and its effects on the personality.
That;s one of the things we discusses today during lunch. Don Bradley is one LDS member who actually gets it. Most "apostates" are folks who are genuine in their gripes. Many of them still want the Church to be true. I know I do.
So, being that Don Bradley was just re-baptized a couple of years ago, if he still believes his "gripes" about the Church are genuine, and "wishes the Church were true," can you tell me why he re-entered the Church, and what he feels his role within it to be?
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
bcspace wrote:If you're posting here or anywhere like it, you're not really out mentally.
Mark that as non sequitur number 4,367 from bcspace.
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
